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Fatalities at elementary school in Newtown, CT II

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12-18-2012, 08:28 AM
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Great generalization. Europe is not a unified country, unlike Canada or USA. Horrors Germains or British committed have very little to do with say Swiss, Swedes or Finns.
Between 1935 and 1976, the newspaper says, no fewer than 60,000 young Swedish women deemed mentally defective or otherwise handicapped to a degree “which makes them incapable of looking after their children” were sterilised

To its many supporters in the 1930s, the policy served three purposes: to prevent the “degeneration of the race”, especially as feeble-minded and insane people were supposed to breed more freely than thrifty and energetic people of “superior” stock

http://www.economist.com/node/155244

If it looks like a Nazi, talks like a Nazi, and acts like a Nazi, well, it just might be a... Swede?

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12-18-2012, 08:49 AM
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Between 1935 and 1976, the newspaper says, no fewer than 60,000 young Swedish women deemed mentally defective or otherwise handicapped to a degree “which makes them incapable of looking after their children” were sterilised

To its many supporters in the 1930s, the policy served three purposes: to prevent the “degeneration of the race”, especially as feeble-minded and insane people were supposed to breed more freely than thrifty and energetic people of “superior” stock

http://www.economist.com/node/155244

If it looks like a Nazi, talks like a Nazi, and acts like a Nazi, well, it just might be a... Swede?
This still doesn't go against what I said. Europe is not a country and should not be treated as a one.

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12-18-2012, 09:07 AM
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The best part is they are trying to shut down the facebook account of the guy connecting the dots, and, the Connecticut State Police have declared they will arrest anyone on social media that spreads any info contrary to what they are saying.

I'd like to know why that is considered a bad thing? The last thing you want is false rumors propagated by ignorant people about what happened. The real media are already a wreck when it comes to reporting truths, we don't need made-up stuff from unqualified parties.

Next thing you know, you will learn that everybody who has been shot were those who accepted the H1N1 vaccination in 2009 and the shooter had traveled next to the Mexican border at the time.

It's fake, made-up, but people might still take the rumor up and run with it, disinforming the people.

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12-18-2012, 10:25 AM
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Well...off the endless pointless(here) gun debate. I would just like to point out again how ****ing awful "journalism" was that day.

Lanzas mom was a teacher. False
Lanza killed his mom at the school. False
Lanza targeted his moms class. False.
Lanza's name was Ryan. False
Lanza killed his dad before going to the school False.

Not to mention the complete lack of journalistic integrity trying to interview parents, children, etc.

Journalism has died in this day where everyone just wants to bebthe first to tweet it
The worst part of this is that this way the media essentially becomes an extremely effective spreader of the sort of rumors and misinformation that sparked riots and lynchings in the past. In other words, it does the exact opposite of what we consider its mission. Within minutes of Ryan Lanza being named as the killer, there were posts all over forums going "Here's the ******* who did it" and the name was being dropped in conversations all over the country. It's a good thing the story also said that the shooter is dead or Ryan Lanza's already bad day could have taken a turn for the even worse.

It also advances conspiracy theories as we have already seen in this thread. Conspiracies thrive on confusing information which we now have with every major event because information *immediately* is broadcast, sometimes with an event still in progress. A lot of truther stuff about 9/11 was based on things said during the attacks by people on air, people who were just reacting to events from their vantage point, quite often unintentionally spreading rumors and bad info.

I don't believe media regulation can even begin to solve that issue because, for one, it seems almost impossible to just weed out the *bad* stuff without possibly limiting vital up-to-date information on developing events for the public, secondly you get the whole "who watches the watchdog" problem.

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12-18-2012, 11:31 AM
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Well...off the endless pointless(here) gun debate. I would just like to point out again how ****ing awful "journalism" was that day.

Lanzas mom was a teacher. False
Lanza killed his mom at the school. False
Lanza targeted his moms class. False.
Lanza's name was Ryan. False
Lanza killed his dad before going to the school False.

Not to mention the complete lack of journalistic integrity trying to interview parents, children, etc.

Journalism has died in this day where everyone just wants to bebthe first to tweet it
It was an awful day for journalism. The race to be "first" in reporting information has led to all sorts of corners being cut. What's the point of being first if the information is inaccurate?

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12-18-2012, 11:36 AM
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It was an awful day for journalism. The race to be "first" in reporting information has led to all sorts of corners being cut. What's the point of being first if the information is inaccurate?
It's a pretty good microcosm of the mentality in the US, though, isn't it? Don't care if it's right, just care if it's first/fast/convenient.

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12-18-2012, 11:39 AM
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Hey guys, I've heard that all the victims received H1N1 shots back in 2009, probably covering up the autism all the kids developed.

I've seen nothing on the media and haven't seen any autopsy reports released, what are they trying to hide?!

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Hey guys, I've heard that all the victims received H1N1 shots back in 2009, probably covering up the autism all the kids developed.

I've seen nothing on the media and haven't seen any autopsy reports released, what are they trying to hide?!



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Hey guys, I've heard that all the victims received H1N1 shots back in 2009, probably covering up the autism all the kids developed.

I've seen nothing on the media and haven't seen any autopsy reports released, what are they trying to hide?!
Oh man, you had me for a second..

I genuinely started thinking WTF?!

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12-18-2012, 11:58 AM
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You forgot the part where they claimed the shooter's child was a student at the school. That one just kind of faded away.

That said, journalism, as far as accuracy and making sure reports are reliable, died years ago. Where the hell have you been?
Such is "journalism" in the AGE OF THE INTERWEB THINGIE.

Anyone with a keyboard can post information and it often gets repeated as if it is gospel.

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12-18-2012, 12:01 PM
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Hey guys, I've heard that all the victims received H1N1 shots back in 2009, probably covering up the autism all the kids developed.

I've seen nothing on the media and haven't seen any autopsy reports released, what are they trying to hide?!
Which Batman movie was this in again, and how is it linked to the LIBOR scandal?

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12-18-2012, 12:05 PM
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The worst part of this is that this way the media essentially becomes an extremely effective spreader of the sort of rumors and misinformation that sparked riots and lynchings in the past. In other words, it does the exact opposite of what we consider its mission. Within minutes of Ryan Lanza being named as the killer, there were posts all over forums going "Here's the ******* who did it" and the name was being dropped in conversations all over the country. It's a good thing the story also said that the shooter is dead or Ryan Lanza's already bad day could have taken a turn for the even worse.

It also advances conspiracy theories as we have already seen in this thread. Conspiracies thrive on confusing information which we now have with every major event because information *immediately* is broadcast, sometimes with an event still in progress. A lot of truther stuff about 9/11 was based on things said during the attacks by people on air, people who were just reacting to events from their vantage point, quite often unintentionally spreading rumors and bad info.

I don't believe media regulation can even begin to solve that issue because, for one, it seems almost impossible to just weed out the *bad* stuff without possibly limiting vital up-to-date information on developing events for the public, secondly you get the whole "who watches the watchdog" problem.
In this case apparently the identification of Adam Lanza being his older brother Ryan resulted from errors by "official sources" within law enforcement.
Many media organizations, using apparently faulty information provided to them by law enforcement sources, issued conflicting reports about the identity of the alleged shooter behind the massacre at the elementary school in Connecticut on Friday.

Outlets, starting with CNN, initially reported that the man who murdered at least 26 people was named Ryan Lanza.

However, hours later, those outlets were forced to retract that identification. The New York Post and Fox News were the first to report that Adam Lanza, Ryan's brother, was the alleged shooter. They were followed by outlets including CNN, CBS, the Associated Press and the New York Times.

The AP wrote that a law enforcement official had "transposed" the names of the two brothers. There were also reports that Adam may have been carrying Ryan's ID.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2302864.html

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Which Batman movie was this in again, and how is it linked to the LIBOR scandal?
He was making fun of the made-up conspiracy theory I pulled out of my ass a few posts above...

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He was making fun of the made-up conspiracy theory I pulled out of my ass a few posts above...
Me too. Lots of silly conspiracy theories popping up over this issue. The "Batman-LIBOR" connection is still the best because that guy is ****ing serious!

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In this case apparently the identification of Adam Lanza being his older brother Ryan resulted from errors by "official sources" within law enforcement.
Many media organizations, using apparently faulty information provided to them by law enforcement sources, issued conflicting reports about the identity of the alleged shooter behind the massacre at the elementary school in Connecticut on Friday.

Outlets, starting with CNN, initially reported that the man who murdered at least 26 people was named Ryan Lanza.

However, hours later, those outlets were forced to retract that identification. The New York Post and Fox News were the first to report that Adam Lanza, Ryan's brother, was the alleged shooter. They were followed by outlets including CNN, CBS, the Associated Press and the New York Times.

The AP wrote that a law enforcement official had "transposed" the names of the two brothers. There were also reports that Adam may have been carrying Ryan's ID.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2302864.html
That's not entirely surprising, but it doesn't do a lot to excuse the media conduct. The name of the shooter wasn't really relevant info at that time, certainly nothing that *had* to be immediately published except to satisfy morbid curiosity. In fact, the fame that comes from this sort of stuff may encourage others to do the same. Adam Lanza is now a household name, like Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold were for a few years after Columbine.

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That's not entirely surprising, but it doesn't do a lot to excuse the media conduct. The name of the shooter wasn't really relevant info at that time, certainly nothing that *had* to be immediately published except to satisfy morbid curiosity. In fact, the fame that comes from this sort of stuff may encourage others to do the same. Adam Lanza is now a household name, like Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold were for a few years after Columbine.
This is all on the "law enforcement sources" if the information is accurate, not the media.

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I'd like to know why that is considered a bad thing? The last thing you want is false rumors propagated by ignorant people about what happened. The real media are already a wreck when it comes to reporting truths, we don't need made-up stuff from unqualified parties.

Next thing you know, you will learn that everybody who has been shot were those who accepted the H1N1 vaccination in 2009 and the shooter had traveled next to the Mexican border at the time.

It's fake, made-up, but people might still take the rumor up and run with it, disinforming the people.
You may be pleased to note that facebook is now taking steps to delete content and suspend accounts of those questioning the official story.

Facebook Now Suspending Accounts Which Question Mainstream Media Reporting - Account of Events

What happened to freedom of speech?

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Your speech is still free. Facebook also has the freedom to regulate comments on the media it owns.

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This is all on the "law enforcement sources" if the information is accurate, not the media.
And it never would have happened were the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the supreme law of the land in Canada, implemented in the United States.

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Has anyone here blamed the degradation of parenting in the American society? In my opinion it's the reason all these wackos are being bred without the tools to cope. Hell this lady gave her obviously troubled kid a PC, gun lessons, plenty of ammo and a mansion to live in. He's like anti-batman.

Our society and corporate ran media has taught us that being selfish is OK. Hell in the case of what was an under exploited market, wives, that it's necessary. Now we have both parents working or one parent homes with children being raised by cartoons and the PC and we wonder why our kids act like super criminals? Maybe we need to start encouraging people to sacrifice their careers,3rd car and their gun hobbies and raise their children better. If that doesn't sound great then get your damn tubes tied and quit breeding killers you selfish ******. And if you think your kid might be a killer put him in an asylum and lock your gun collection.


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Has anyone here blamed the degradation of parenting in the American society? In my opinion it's the reason all these wackos are being bred without the tools to cope. Hell this lady gave her obviously troubled kid a PC, gun lessons, plenty of ammo and a mansion to live in. He's like anti-batman.

Our society and corporate ran media has taught us that being selfish is OK. Hell in the case of what was an under exploited market, wives, that it's necessary. Now we have both parents working or one parent homes with children being raised by cartoons and the PC and we wonder why our kids act like super criminals? Maybe we need to start encouraging people to sacrifice their careers,3rd car and their gun hobbies and raise their children better. If that doesn't sound great then get your damn tubes tied and quit breeding killers you selfish ******. And if you think your kid might be a killer put him in an asylum and lock your gun collection.
Criticizing other people's parenting is our national passtime- its easy and it makes us feel better about ourselves. No one ever wishes this for their children.

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Criticizing other people's parenting is our national passtime- its easy and it makes us feel better about ourselves. No one ever wishes this for their children.
No one wishes anything bad to ever happen but wishes aren't worth ****. It takes hard work to raise a child and no one is willing to do it anymore. Instead we expect the government to do it for us. Instead of a parent turning off a violent movie or not allowing their sun to own a PC till they have the appropriate maturity we expect the government to regulate it for us. Instead of a concerned mother reporting her trouble child to some sort of health services I guess we expect mandatory sanity tests at school. A government that is inept at best. A government that gives guns to criminals and rocket launchers to terrorists. The whole concept is insane!

I don't own a gun or a child you want to know why? Because they scare the **** outta me and I don't want the responsibility. I do however think I should have the freedom to have either.

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And it never would have happened were the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the supreme law of the land in Canada, implemented in the United States.
You are in error.


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No one wishes anything bad to ever happen but wishes aren't worth ****. It takes hard work to raise a child and no one is willing to do it anymore. Instead we expect the government to do it for us. Instead of a parent turning off a violent movie or not allowing their sun to own a PC till they have the appropriate maturity we expect the government to regulate it for us. Instead of a concerned mother reporting her trouble child to some sort of health services I guess we expect mandatory sanity tests at school. A government that is inept at best. A government that gives guns to criminals and rocket launchers to terrorists. The whole concept is insane!
That just isn't true in the land of real human beings- but it sounds good and it's easy to say.

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I don't own a gun or a child you want to know why? Because they scare the **** outta me and I don't want the responsibility. I do however think I should have the freedom to have either.
This makes me think you will be a pretty good parent when the time is right- that is a very healthy fear.

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