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12-18-2012, 07:14 AM
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WFP: The Jets effect: Return of NHL hockey beneficial to provincial economy

It's a survey based report, interesting read from a boosterism and image point of view. Have to dig in to see if there's any actual data on these "benefits" outside of the much quoted "quality of life" that governments and teams always try to use to support their arguments.

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Considering how significant business leaders in the province believe the return of the Jets has been to the Manitoba economy, provincial officials are probably wishing there was binding arbitration at the NHL to end the labour dispute.

Close to half of the business leaders who responded to a new poll done by Probe Research exclusively for the Free Press said having an NHL team in Winnipeg is beneficial to the provincial economy.

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"When they are calling outside the province to recruit somebody, this is an advantage," he said. "It's one more thing to put on the table."
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Had my coffee this morning and realized I forgot the link

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bus...183899091.html


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Yeah, well it WAS NHL hockey in Winnipeg. Last season.

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I'm more curious what the long-term effects that the return of the Jets will have on other sports in the area, particularly the Blue Bombers, Goldeyes, and junior hockey. Might be great for the economy overall, but it's revenue dollars that probably was spread all over the place beforehand that's getting concentrated in a big way in one point to possibly the detriment of the other teams in the province.

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I'm more curious what the long-term effects that the return of the Jets will have on other sports in the area, particularly the Blue Bombers, Goldeyes, and junior hockey. Might be great for the economy overall, but it's revenue dollars that probably was spread all over the place beforehand that's getting concentrated in a big way in one point to possibly the detriment of the other teams in the province.
Blue Bombers have set ST records in back to back years since the Jets return. Considering the difference of the market that the NHL and CFL are targeting, I'd argue the Moose were more of a threat than the Jets for the Bombers. Bomber ST tickets for example, can run as low as 200$ (up to the sold out 1600$ level, the next level is just 800$), they are targeting a "family" type atmosphere, an affordable sports entertainment option, much like the AHL was. It is possible to take the whole family of 4 out for a BB game for 150-200$. This is more pf an affordable medium-low income entertainment (don't get me wrong, I love my Bombers I'll get ST the second I get a second person to go in with me for them). But they are in a different bracket then the Jets.

I know I spent 0 on the Moose, and have spent the exact same on the Bombers now as pre-Jets, just added the Jets to my spending (ST tickets) at the expense of things like a new car/new TV. It's people like me the Jets are targeting, I don't think the Bombers will be all that hurt from it, in fact they might see a boost from the renewed interest in sports the Jet have brought.

I don't know a whole lot about the Goldeyes (nor do I care) but based on their tickets prices and general appeal, I feel they fall in line with the Bombers. "Family type atmosphere".

Junior hockey does not register. If you were dedicated enough to go the MJHL games before, you will be now. Jets tickets won't effect whether you spend 5$ to go see MJHL hockey.

Honestly the money the Jets are vulturing is more gonna be from things that 20-50 males were spending, as those are the ones shelling out the big money for the Jets tickets. Things like big screen TV's, luxury cars, video games, movies, etc. Those minor league teams will have nothing but an increase, IMO, as there is less competition for the affordable sports options. Jets are targeting a completely different market.

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Only close to half of the business leaders think that the Jets are beneficial to the provincial economy? Wow!

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Oh great, maybe they will also have a newer report this year to measure with...

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Only close to half of the business leaders think that the Jets are beneficial to the provincial economy? Wow!
I think that overall they are a benefit to the economy. Not in the direct economic driver way (there is some minor benefit but it is overall negligible), they just move around where cash is spent. There is however two areas that benefit the economy:
- halo effect: the people surveyed are the business movers and shakers, if they think the team adds some panache to the province they are more likely to: 1) use this in their marketing and MAY influence some buyers to use Manitoba companies; and 2) the team IS having a benefit on the area around the arena by attracting higher end businesses and services to fill vacant and underutilized structures in an important area of downtown.

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I'm more curious what the long-term effects that the return of the Jets will have on other sports in the area, particularly the Blue Bombers, Goldeyes, and junior hockey. Might be great for the economy overall, but it's revenue dollars that probably was spread all over the place beforehand that's getting concentrated in a big way in one point to possibly the detriment of the other teams in the province.
I don't think it'll affect those sports at all, really. The Bombers will still sell out. The Goldeyes will still attract families who like the dirt-cheap tickets and weirdos who for some reason enjoy baseball. Junior hockey will continue to get overlooked.

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I don't think it'll affect those sports at all, really. The Bombers will still sell out. The Goldeyes will still attract families who like the dirt-cheap tickets and weirdos who for some reason enjoy baseball. Junior hockey will continue to get overlooked.
this. for sure. The Goldeyes just had one of their most succesful seasons, both on the field (American Association Champions) and at the gate. The Blue Bombers increased ST despite the fact the time really really sucked large.

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True points, but think it's a bit short-sighted with the Blue Bombers to say that there will be zero or little impact. Could very well be right that there won't be a major impact, but remember.... when the Jets came back, the Bombers were in the midst of a major hotstreak and were pretty easy to rally around. Then, even with them stinking near the end of that season and throughout this season, their second year cohabiting that market with the Jets is taking place at a time when the Jets aren't playing or when there was widespread discussion of the upcoming lockout.

Nothing's in stone yet for how the two will affect each other for the long haul.

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For the 2012 season, the Bombers did well in attendance. But the issue of the coach and GM became the focus of protest for some fans. If they did well theyd still be selling out.

Nonetheless, Bombers or Jets, the fans will still be loud. Winning or losing. There just huge support for sports teams here in Winnipeg lately. Things we could be proud of.

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Only close to half of the business leaders think that the Jets are beneficial to the provincial economy? Wow!
I'm glad I wasn't the only one asking that question

I mean, just reading the headline and the sub-header, it's like two totally different stories. "Almost half" is a minority, right?

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Well, last year Winnipeg was riding on a wave of sports-euphoria. We had the Jets back. Bomber season ticket sales broke records. Heck even Goldeye games were selling out. It was a bit strange, a sudden burst of civic pride, where the catalyst was the Jets, and every Winnipeg sports club getting a boost. Everyone was buying anything that had 'Winnipeg (blanks)' on it. If you were one of the 8000 who tried to get Jets season tickets but were shut out in 5 minutes, guess what...you bought Bomber season tickets instead. It was pretty nice, actually.

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True points, but think it's a bit short-sighted with the Blue Bombers to say that there will be zero or little impact. Could very well be right that there won't be a major impact, but remember.... when the Jets came back, the Bombers were in the midst of a major hotstreak and were pretty easy to rally around. Then, even with them stinking near the end of that season and throughout this season, their second year cohabiting that market with the Jets is taking place at a time when the Jets aren't playing or when there was widespread discussion of the upcoming lockout.

Nothing's in stone yet for how the two will affect each other for the long haul.
I know you keep dwelling on the Bombers, but why should the kind of support Winnipeg provides be any different than Edmonton and Calgary? Both cities are able to support two pro sports teams well, why would Winnipeg be any different? In the past, the Jets never affected Bomber attendance; not once, in a much ****tier economy. Now, when things are 10x better, why would you think this would change all of a sudden? It's not going to change, at all.

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I doubt many people outside the province are coming to see the Jets play in Winnipeg. So how would this possibly help the economy? If I don't go to a hockey game I might go to a concert, theater, symphony, amusement park etc with the money. It is not like I suddenly am spending more money because I go a hockey game.

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I know you keep dwelling on the Bombers, but why should the kind of support Winnipeg provides be any different than Edmonton and Calgary? Both cities are able to support two pro sports teams well, why would Winnipeg be any different? In the past, the Jets never affected Bomber attendance; not once, in a much ****tier economy. Now, when things are 10x better, why would you think this would change all of a sudden? It's not going to change, at all.
The simplest reason in the world, really.... size. Winnipeg is a lot smaller than either of those markets, so the amount of disposable income is obviously less. Now granted, there are variables like the Jets have a smaller arena and not having a major junior team(s) in torn/nearby as well. That being said, while the old Jets and the Bombers cohabited for years, the fact is that Winnipeg's turning into a one sport town (or one and a half with the CFL and AHL) into a two sports town. Some people that would've otherwise spent money on the Bombers might not instead spend some, most, or even all of that on the Jets instead.

The longterm impact that the Jets2.0 will have on the Bombers and Goldeyes are yet to be seen, though, the initial results like the boost in civic pride that came along with them like Wings mentioned, are certainly promising. Plus, the Bomber's planned new stadium might make the whole thing a moot point anyway.

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I doubt many people outside the province are coming to see the Jets play in Winnipeg. So how would this possibly help the economy? If I don't go to a hockey game I might go to a concert, theater, symphony, amusement park etc with the money. It is not like I suddenly am spending more money because I go a hockey game.
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Only close to half of the business leaders think that the Jets are beneficial to the provincial economy? Wow!
Well put.

You'd think just the additional 20+ NHL salaries would make every business "leader" realize the team is good for the economy.

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I doubt many people outside the province are coming to see the Jets play in Winnipeg. So how would this possibly help the economy? If I don't go to a hockey game I might go to a concert, theater, symphony, amusement park etc with the money. It is not like I suddenly am spending more money because I go a hockey game.
Perhaps people spending money in the province rather than travelling and spending elsewhere? I don't think the hockey crowd is stealing away from the ballet budget.

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I doubt many people outside the province are coming to see the Jets play in Winnipeg. So how would this possibly help the economy? If I don't go to a hockey game I might go to a concert, theater, symphony, amusement park etc with the money. It is not like I suddenly am spending more money because I go a hockey game.
Well, twenty-some millionares in market getting taxed, other teams of millionares coming in to play getting surtaxed, top tier hotels being booked, busing for visiting millionaires, etc, etc.

Like I said previously, it's negligible, but not 0. (ya I'm aware the Jets spend out of market too)

The biggest effect is in civic boosterism, not as a direct economic engine (cuz it's not).

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In a related note, personal savings account deposits were way down last year.

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In a related note, personal savings account deposits were way down last year.
Get that money flowing through the economy!

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LOL at all the people here stating that the return of the NHL to Winnipeg doesn't have a positive effect on the local economy. Hmm, I guess the hotels, condo towers, restaurants and a new casino all slated to open up or have already opened up very close to the MTS centre is just a co-incidence, right? Yeah, no benefits whatsoever. LOL

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The simplest reason in the world, really.... size. Winnipeg is a lot smaller than either of those markets, so the amount of disposable income is obviously less. Now granted, there are variables like the Jets have a smaller arena and not having a major junior team(s) in torn/nearby as well. That being said, while the old Jets and the Bombers cohabited for years, the fact is that Winnipeg's turning into a one sport town (or one and a half with the CFL and AHL) into a two sports town. Some people that would've otherwise spent money on the Bombers might not instead spend some, most, or even all of that on the Jets instead.

The longterm impact that the Jets2.0 will have on the Bombers and Goldeyes are yet to be seen, though, the initial results like the boost in civic pride that came along with them like Wings mentioned, are certainly promising. Plus, the Bomber's planned new stadium might make the whole thing a moot point anyway.
If you look at the facts, the facts are that, as I've pointed out to you, the Bombers have NEVER been affected by the NHL in Winnipeg, not once. If you are taking into account population, say for example Edmonton, there is about 1.4 million people within the city and an area of about 1 hour in radius. Winnipeg has about 900K (will likely be a million in about 3-5 years or so). In the grand scheme of things, it's not that much more. Calgary, ditto. So in retrospect, yes, they are not that much different in population. Also in terms of disposable income, Winnipeggers have dispelled the myth that they won't pay for sports. They are, in droves. This will not change, since people in the city have much more money at their disposal. The Bombers selling out last year is proof enough. And with the new stadium coming onboard next year, it will only drive up demand for tickets.

Again, Winnipeg can survive and thrive with two pro sports franchises in the city. This will continue to occur and won't change, so people need not worry.

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In a related note, personal savings account deposits were way down last year.
Yeah, shocking that people aren't simply putting their money into bank personal savings accounts given that interest rates are at or near record lows.




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