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02-09-2013, 09:09 PM
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Just to educate some know it all here junior does not transalate into scoring leader in AHL,you forget you have nothing above a 4th liner in the ahl level,putting lots of stock on Lowry to be the num 1 forward as a rookie

And the only player with any scoring now has gotten hurt O Dell left the game
I don't think people are expecting Lowry to nessesarily light it up out of the gates.......he will compete though and is sounds like that will be refreshing for the fans.

Nobody likes to loose at any level and what is happening with this teams unacceptable.

Has McCambridge lost the team or do they just really suck?

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I'm not sure of anyone here that has claimed Lowry will be a scoring leader in the AHL. That is rare.

I'd rather see him surprise and earn a spot with the Jets right out of camp and never see the AHL anyway.



just kidding, sort of

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no Manitoba Moose team i bet was this terrible,and what sickens me is that the posters prob were Moose fans,but now cause they have a NHL team they expect,Newfoundlanders to sit thru teams they would never watch in their Moose days
Trouty why are you making this about the Jets posters? Who exactly is happy the ice caps suck this year and why would anyone in Winnipeg be happy with that? this is our farm team and I for one want them to develop talent "and" win games?

Honestly is sucks that the cupboard In SJ is that bare for us?

How many Jets posters were following the Ice Caps on this board during their playoff run last year? you may be paying the freight but we are in it together and this is a joke that someone has to get fixed.

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Keith has lost the team,and him and that whole staff should be gone,from video coach on.I mean when your at hom your suppose to own first 10 min,in most cases we dont get a shot till 12-15 min in.Yes this happens sometimes,but every home game something is wrong in that dressing room.Spencer Mach should be loaned dont care if its for a bag of chips,send him on he dont wanna be here anyways.

As for Lowry or whoever they need a playmaker,not 4th line grinders,that dont grind like we got.Honestly 4th liners on other teams would prob put up better stats then are top line,which is a 4th line on 29 other ahl teams

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that post goes out to some posters here that go with the Winnipeg dont care about winning at the ahl level,those posters.Theirs a difference with losing and just embarrassing yourselfs,im sure this type of losing anit development

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no Manitoba Moose team i bet was this terrible,and what sickens me is that the posters prob were Moose fans,but now cause they have a NHL team they expect,Newfoundlanders to sit thru teams they would never watch in their Moose days
To be fair, the Moose only missed the playoffs, what, 3 years? No one ever really complained about them

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that post goes out to some posters here that go with the Winnipeg dont care about winning at the ahl level,those posters.Theirs a difference with losing and just embarrassing yourselfs,im sure this type of losing anit development
Yea there is zero upside in this type of skid.

At some point there might be a legitimate debate about when to give a top prospect quality first line minutes top PP minutes vs the Ice caps winning but we are light years away from that right now and this current disgrace isn't good for anyone.

If posters don't care about the ice caps then I don't know why they waist their time posting on this thread unless there is a prospect they are following up on.

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that post goes out to some posters here that go with the Winnipeg dont care about winning at the ahl level,those posters.Theirs a difference with losing and just embarrassing yourselfs,im sure this type of losing anit development
I agree. I think having a winning tradition on the rock is extremely important. You teach your prospects to win at the AHL level and hopefully that breeds winning with the big club. Also, it's only good business to keep ALL your organization's fans happy, not just the NHL ones.

Unfortunately, the team you got is prospect poor due to terrible drafting and asset management. I know you want a winner now, but it takes time to build up that depth.

Just know that the majority of people up here do care about the Ice Cap's success.

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that post goes out to some posters here that go with the Winnipeg dont care about winning at the ahl level,those posters.Theirs a difference with losing and just embarrassing yourselfs,im sure this type of losing anit development
You seem to be kidding yourself if you think those represent Winnipeg's players. You'll begin to see a few Winnipeg prospects next season but it will take a while yet until this regime's draft picks have a tacit effect on the IceCaps. That isn't Winnipeg's fault but rather is the fault of Atlanta for running such a threadbare development program.

I'm sure they are planning to stock the balance of the team accordingly next season with more vets. In no way do TNSE ignore St. Johns; they are just beginning to build it though.

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I agree you can see the frustration in the building now with fans,and honestly their a fickle bunch here,you got 4000 die hards,but you can see the interest sinking and fans laughing at them.I know its Atlanta's mess,my question is why is Zinger so quiet,last year i heard his name a hundred times,have not heard zip about him so far

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Believe me i know all about mis managed farm teams,and clubs that ignored it.Keep in mind we had the St.John's Maple Leafs ,Toronto never cared much for their farm if any.

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I agree you can see the frustration in the building now with fans,and honestly their a fickle bunch here,you got 4000 die hards,but you can see the interest sinking and fans laughing at them.I know its Atlanta's mess,my question is why is Zinger so quiet,last year i heard his name a hundred times,have not heard zip about him so far
Last I heard his name he was on his way recently overseas for a third scouting trip this winter. Am guessing he is bird-dogging possible free agent names as well as junior-aged players, as they didn't specify whether that trip was to scout pros or juniors. He could be looking at pro-level players for all we know.

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no Manitoba Moose team i bet was this terrible,and what sickens me is that the posters prob were Moose fans,but now cause they have a NHL team they expect,Newfoundlanders to sit thru teams they would never watch in their Moose days
How do you figure? Personally, I may not be a season ticket holder, but I have paid for and watched almost every game this year, for instance. I feel your pain - obviously not to the same extent, but to assume that Jet fans as a whole enjoy seeing the Caps falter is somewhat disingenuous.

The cupboards are bare - prospects that should be there were put in the line up by the Atlanta front office. Prospects that can help during their development stage are on their way, but not until next year (or the playoffs, assuming the Caps make it, fingers crossed)

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Caps wont make the playoffs,they have to play .800 hockey,they cant even play .400 hockey.The reason they have to play like that is cause their sked is total trash,and most teams their chasing all 7 of them (when we fall to 15th)play each other almost every night,big 4 pt games while were playing out of conference,plus some teams have 4-5 games in hand on us.Playoffs are close to impossable in most eyes

God you actually watch them online,i feel your pain worse,their horrible to watch live,can only imaging on tv lol

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I don't necessarily agree with Trouty. He blames work ethic, coaching. I think that our players don't have a lot of talent offensively. I'm looking forward to seeing the Jets picks next season.

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I don't necessarily agree with Trouty. He blames work ethic, coaching. I think that our players don't have a lot of talent offensively. I'm looking forward to seeing the Jets picks next season.
Eligible forwards next year are:

83 Yasin Cisse 6' 3" 210 11 Mar 1992 20 Montreal, QC, CAN
87 Tanner Lane 6' 2" 180 13 Aug 1992 20 Detroit Lakes, MN, USA
61 Austen Brassard 6' 2" 188 14 Jan 1993 20 Windsor, ON, CAN
55 Mark Scheifele 6' 2" 184 15 Mar 1993 19 Kitchener, ON, CAN
56 Adam Lowry 6' 4" 187 29 Mar 1993 19 St. Louis, MO, USA
47 Lukas Sutter 6' 0" 215 4 Oct 1993 19 St. Louis, MO, USA

2 or 3 of them could make a big impact on the offensive abilities of the IceCaps.

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I don't necessarily agree with Trouty. He blames work ethic, coaching. I think that our players don't have a lot of talent offensively. I'm looking forward to seeing the Jets picks next season.
I would agree with you, though I don't know enough about the coaching to say on that either way. But help is on the way, for sure.

As far as what Trouty was saying before -- Trouty, remember that every Jet fan is happy when the IceCaps are winning. We ALL want the prospects to be on a winning team. There's just some debates about how TNSE should balance various priorities with the IceCaps is all. Nobody wants IceCaps fans to sit through another sad season like this.

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Eligible forwards next year are:

83 Yasin Cisse 6' 3" 210 11 Mar 1992 20 Montreal, QC, CAN
87 Tanner Lane 6' 2" 180 13 Aug 1992 20 Detroit Lakes, MN, USA
61 Austen Brassard 6' 2" 188 14 Jan 1993 20 Windsor, ON, CAN
55 Mark Scheifele 6' 2" 184 15 Mar 1993 19 Kitchener, ON, CAN
56 Adam Lowry 6' 4" 187 29 Mar 1993 19 St. Louis, MO, USA
47 Lukas Sutter 6' 0" 215 4 Oct 1993 19 St. Louis, MO, USA

2 or 3 of them could make a big impact on the offensive abilities of the IceCaps.
Lowry measured out @ 6'5", 201 by WHL this year...
http://www.whl.ca/roster/show/id/484

He is a big boy!

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I think coaching is the main issue,If Keith was in NHL and his team gave that poor effort most nights he be long fired,unfortunitly i dont see him nor Mark getting fired.I agree the talent is not good,so yes that has most to do with the scoring,but some nights theirs just no drive,no effort and in most cases thats what hurts them,maybe when we get some help my coaching problem wont be a issue,I dont see Keith making it thru year 3,even if he anit let go after this season

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Lowry measured out @ 6'5", 201 by WHL this year...
http://www.whl.ca/roster/show/id/484

He is a big boy!
Yeah, all those numbers seem a bit off, Gump. I got 'em from the Jets site - obviously not very up to date.

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Eligible forwards next year are:

83 Yasin Cisse 6' 3" 210 11 Mar 1992 20 Montreal, QC, CAN
87 Tanner Lane 6' 2" 180 13 Aug 1992 20 Detroit Lakes, MN, USA
61 Austen Brassard 6' 2" 188 14 Jan 1993 20 Windsor, ON, CAN
55 Mark Scheifele 6' 2" 184 15 Mar 1993 19 Kitchener, ON, CAN
56 Adam Lowry 6' 4" 187 29 Mar 1993 19 St. Louis, MO, USA
47 Lukas Sutter 6' 0" 215 4 Oct 1993 19 St. Louis, MO, USA

2 or 3 of them could make a big impact on the offensive abilities of the IceCaps.
You mean Saponari.
Lane's a freshman.

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You mean Saponari.
Lane's a freshman.
Good catch. What is everyone thinking regarding Cisse at this point - has he turned it around enough as an over-aged?

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Here you go IceCapsFanNL
All the guys who will be coming to camp next season. I've watched a lot of these guys this season.

RW; Yasin Cisse; 6'3" 220; 11 Mar 1992; 20; Montreal, QC, CAN
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H-East 10 0 2 2 16
QMJHL 19 6 3 9 19
Big power forward who had a lot of success in the USHL and had a lot of promise at one time, but similarly to O`Dell, lost almost 2 full seasons back-to-back due to injuries (skate to tendon and broken ankle). He knew this year was his last chance to get ready for pro so he left college for CHL to try and get some more quantity and quality of ice-time. Corey Pronman of Hockey Prospectus called out this player as a potential sleeper for the Jets' if he can return to form. IMHO, he's hit or miss to make the team, and I could see him turning out anywhere between star ECHLer or star AHLer.

RW; Vinny Saponari; 6'1" 180; 15 Feb 1990; 22; Powder Springs, GA, USA
YEARLEAGUEGPGAPTSPIM
2011-12 H-East 34 7 16 23 14
2012-13 H-East 24 5 15 20 18
Playmaking right winger. Won "most exciting player" award for team in 2011-12. His character was questioned when he kicked out of BU by his coach for off-ice issues... but this has created some controversy as another player was kept after kicking somebody in the face or something of the sorts (good ol' two-standards NCAA)... but obviously is a team leader now as he is captain of NEU Huskies. 2011-12 was tied for second in assists and 4th for points on the team, while this season he's second for points and tied for first in assists. Of the 3 RWs, he's probably the most likely to be playing on the IceCaps next season and most likely to make an offensive impact.

RW; Austen Brassard; 6'2" 207; 14 Jan 1993; 20; Windsor, ON, CAN
YEARLEAGUEGPGAPTSPIM
2011-12 OHL 64 27 24 51 71
2012-13 OHL 43 10 11 51 21
Another power forward RW who was highly touted and then kind of fell for some reason this season. He is on a very defensive team, as the Belleville Bulls are a defense first team (they have 153 GF even with being in 2nd place in the division, when most teams are sitting between 170-200), but that drop isn't that pretty. Like Cisse he's hit or miss but will definitely bring toughness if he does. He has three fighting suspensions this season... one was when he checked a guy so hard, the player fell onto the players bench and tried to fight him from there. If he can bring his goal scoring touch back, he will definitely be a plus as his first two seasons were statistically similar to Machacek.

C; Mark Scheifele; 6'3" 187; 15 Mar 1993; 19; Kitchener, ON, CAN
YEARLEAGUEGPGAPTSPIM
2011-12 OHL 47 23 40 63 36
2012-13 OHL 32 24 29 53 15
Playmaking C and CHL gem of the Jets' prospects but you already know that. If I was a betting man, I'd say don't hope for him because he'll most likely be battling Burmistrov next season for #2C and the loser between the two will likely be #3C.

LW/C; Adam Lowry; 6'5" 210; 29 Mar 1993; 19; St. Louis, MO, USA
YEARLEAGUEGPGAPTSPIM
2011-12 WHL 36 12 25 37 90
2012-13 WHL 55 34 38 72 74
Another power forward and also a team captain. Check the Jets' Prospects thread to see Gump breakdown this player (he likened him to Getzlaf-like). His pts/gp is almost year-to-year exactly same as Telegin, but his size and style makes his game more translatable to pro and more likely for easier pro-learning curve. He also had mono in 2010-11 and a wrist fracture in 2011-12 that slowed him down. He has an off-chance of making the Jets' roster, but most likely I'd say you get 1-2 years with him.

LW; Jordan Samuels-Thomas; 6'4" 195; 15 Feb 1990; 22; Hartford, CT, USA
YEARLEAGUEGPGAPTSPIM
2010-11 CCHA 36 9 12 21 46
2012-13 ECAC 27 8 6 14 34
Surprise, surprise, another power forward. In 2007 he was an enforcer in the USHL and only potted 8G and 3A in 56 games, and then next season he had 32G and 22A in 59 games haha. He lost a year of development due to NCAA transfer rules and gaining a suspension out of it. He's currently tied for 3rd in the team for goals, 1st in game-winning-goals and he's 2nd for shots. I could see him legitimately making the team.

C; Lukas Sutter; 6'1" 215; 4 Oct 1993; 19; St. Louis, MO, USA
YEARLEAGUEGPGAPTSPIM
2011-12 WHL 70 28 31 59 165
2012-13 WHL 55 11 8 19 137
Don't let the stats completely fool you, as they did with me at first. He's 4th on the team for forwards for even strength goals, but the team has decided to burry him on the defensive 4th line for hopes for a Memorial Cup run, similarly how IceCaps have done in the past with Cormier, which is no coincidence as the two are very very very similar. Being 4th in even strength goals while mostly playing defensive 4th line role is a nice thing to have. He will most likely be your 4th line C next season.

LD; Zachary Yuen; 6'1" 200; 3 Mar 1993; 19; Vancouver, BC, CAN
YEARLEAGUEGPGAPTSPIM
2011-12 WHL 66 12 26 38 46
2012-13 WHL 54 4 22 26 42
Very similar to Melchiori: a smooth skating defensive defenseman. He has a better shot, but like Melchiori he's got great 4-way movement and superb gap control. He might get sent back as an over-ager, like D tend to have happen to them, since you guys have already Melchiori, O`Neill, Sol and Chariot as LD... but we'll see.


So if I was to guess, I'd say Saponari, Samuels-Thomas, Lowry, Sutter and (maybe) Yuen should be on the IceCaps next season. Saponari and Lowry will most likely be the only two adding decent offense, while JST will probably give decent secondary scoring, and Sutter (and maybe Yuen) will be there more for defensive purposes.


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Good catch. What is everyone thinking regarding Cisse at this point - has he turned it around enough as an over-aged?
All I'm hoping for from him is to re-establish his game and build confidence. The Q may help that as an overager, but he'll spend time on the rock, to be sure. This is a true example of the softmore slump for the IceCaps, and I'm sorry that you guys have to experience it first hand.

The prospect cupboard is barren, but should start getting stocked regularly within the next couple of years. The team just isn't that good with the talent level they have. I don't expect that to be the status quo.

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This team is hard to stomach.HOPING for a win today.

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