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01-12-2013, 06:25 PM
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Can we end the season?or develop a time machine to take us back to last October?


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Moose use to be consistant......WTF is up with the Ice caps.

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Moose use to be consistant......WTF is up with the Ice caps.
Me and 6,247 of us have no idea.Zinger needs to make changes this team has fallen off a cliff.

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Moose use to be consistant......WTF is up with the Ice caps.
The Caps didn't inherit the Moose though, they got the Wolves.

I think Zinger and co need some time to build an AHL org, it's only been 1 year.

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The Caps didn't inherit the Moose though, they got the Wolves.

I think Zinger and co need some time to build an AHL org, it's only been 1 year.
Fair point.....just tough though because they were really solid last year?

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01-13-2013, 12:07 AM
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season ticket holder in St.John's and whati see from the Jets is BS cause if it was based on play Gagnon be relEASED AND Postma who cost the Ice cAPS MORE GAMES THEN HES WON be long buried.Thats the difference between real nhl clubs and the Jets believe me your a long way from building not alone winning a home game in St.jOHN'S,MIGHT start looking for a new city to put farm team,after this season i bet renewals be far fetched worst entertainment in 21 yrs yet i still go

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season ticket holder in St.John's and whati see from the Jets is BS cause if it was based on play Gagnon be relEASED AND Postma who cost the Ice cAPS MORE GAMES THEN HES WON be long buried.Thats the difference between real nhl clubs and the Jets believe me your a long way from building not alone winning a home game in St.jOHN'S,MIGHT start looking for a new city to put farm team,after this season i bet renewals be far fetched worst entertainment in 21 yrs yet i still go
I understand you're upset, but you need to chill the **** out. Yes, the IcCaps are playing like glorified crap right now, but the Marlies are arguably the strongest team in the league. The team is more or less the same as it was last year, and in a league that is constantly in flux due to the NHL, that can be seen as a bad thing. Another thing, the Jets are only one year removed from Atlanta. Atlanta's mark is all over the farm club and the main club. It takes time to build a club identity.

In short, chill out.

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season ticket holder in St.John's and whati see from the Jets is BS cause if it was based on play Gagnon be relEASED AND Postma who cost the Ice cAPS MORE GAMES THEN HES WON be long buried.Thats the difference between real nhl clubs and the Jets believe me your a long way from building not alone winning a home game in St.jOHN'S,MIGHT start looking for a new city to put farm team,after this season i bet renewals be far fetched worst entertainment in 21 yrs yet i still go
Gagnon cannot be released...you cannot simply release players in an NHL contract. From what I understand players have to accept an ECHL demotion, you cannot assign them there unilaterally like the AHL. Never the less, Gagnon is depth that is needed in St. John's right now.

Paul Postma may get flack for this defensive awareness, but the fact remains he was 2nd on the team in points. Not among defensemen, but 2nd overall. You need guys to put up offense from the bluelines. Regardless, you won't have to worry about him "losing games" for you anymore, he is up in Winnipeg to stay, at least for this season.

The team is not playing well...meh. Their job is to develop prospects, not win games. So long as a steady stream of players are coming to Winnipeg from the system, that's all they need to do. Winning games is not a priority, but a mere bonus. If that's not your cup of tea, you should probably find some other entertainment.

Team should improve at least somewhat next year with some new talent coming in, if that's any consolation. But at the same time I am hoping they won't knee jerk and bring in AHL veterans to push quality prospects out of the way. I want what Manchester is, filled with NHL potential playing key roles while being moderately successful. Hopefully we see it in St. John's in 2-3 years.

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I understand you're upset, but you need to chill the **** out. Yes, the IcCaps are playing like glorified crap right now, but the Marlies are arguably the strongest team in the league. The team is more or less the same as it was last year, and in a league that is constantly in flux due to the NHL, that can be seen as a bad thing. Another thing, the Jets are only one year removed from Atlanta. Atlanta's mark is all over the farm club and the main club. It takes time to build a club identity.

In short, chill out.
Lowry, Sutter, Saponari and Yuen should add some punch. Not to mention the continued development of Sol, Melch, Telegin and O'Dell. TNSE is committed to building a strong AHL team too.

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season ticket holder in St.John's and whati see from the Jets is BS cause if it was based on play Gagnon be relEASED AND Postma who cost the Ice cAPS MORE GAMES THEN HES WON be long buried.Thats the difference between real nhl clubs and the Jets believe me your a long way from building not alone winning a home game in St.jOHN'S,MIGHT start looking for a new city to put farm team,after this season i bet renewals be far fetched worst entertainment in 21 yrs yet i still go
Huh? I can't understand you...

Question... how many of those players on the IceCaps were drafted by TNSE???? hmmm?

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Gagnon cannot be released...you cannot simply release players in an NHL contract. From what I understand players have to accept an ECHL demotion, you cannot assign them there unilaterally like the AHL. Never the less, Gagnon is depth that is needed in St. John's right now.

Paul Postma may get flack for this defensive awareness, but the fact remains he was 2nd on the team in points. Not among defensemen, but 2nd overall. You need guys to put up offense from the bluelines. Regardless, you won't have to worry about him "losing games" for you anymore, he is up in Winnipeg to stay, at least for this season.

The team is not playing well...meh. Their job is to develop prospects, not win games. So long as a steady stream of players are coming to Winnipeg from the system, that's all they need to do. Winning games is not a priority, but a mere bonus. If that's not your cup of tea, you should probably find some other entertainment.

Team should improve at least somewhat next year with some new talent coming in, if that's any consolation. But at the same time I am hoping they won't knee jerk and bring in AHL veterans to push quality prospects out of the way. I want what Manchester is, filled with NHL potential playing key roles while being moderately successful. Hopefully we see it in St. John's in 2-3 years.
They already have a solid group of veterans. The lack of talented youngsters is hurting them now.

Coach has them out chancing opponents in 2/3 of their games and their puck luck issue have been well documented. This is a down (unfortune) year, not an indication of what is to come.

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01-13-2013, 06:49 AM
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Gagnon cannot be released...you cannot simply release players in an NHL contract. From what I understand players have to accept an ECHL demotion, you cannot assign them there unilaterally like the AHL. Never the less, Gagnon is depth that is needed in St. John's right now.

Paul Postma may get flack for this defensive awareness, but the fact remains he was 2nd on the team in points. Not among defensemen, but 2nd overall. You need guys to put up offense from the bluelines. Regardless, you won't have to worry about him "losing games" for you anymore, he is up in Winnipeg to stay, at least for this season.

The team is not playing well...meh. Their job is to develop prospects, not win games. So long as a steady stream of players are coming to Winnipeg from the system, that's all they need to do. Winning games is not a priority, but a mere bonus. If that's not your cup of tea, you should probably find some other entertainment.

Team should improve at least somewhat next year with some new talent coming in, if that's any consolation. But at the same time I am hoping they won't knee jerk and bring in AHL veterans to push quality prospects out of the way. I want what Manchester is, filled with NHL potential playing key roles while being moderately successful. Hopefully we see it in St. John's in 2-3 years.
It is beyond embrassing we have lost 7 in a row at home.Gagnon has been beyond terrible.

I get developing prospects but guys like O'Neill,Sol shouldn't be playing.They can't play at this level at least not right now.

I'm sorry if i want my team to win and not be embrassed every night .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE

Go explain that to the people at Mile One.No silver lining for this terrible season.Sell out streak is still in tact for now..

No excuses for no heart,compete etc.Rather develop prospects in a winning environment.


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Unfortunate timing of the Marlies games.

IceCaps might keep two points at home today, an early sunday game with the home side needing it much, much, more than the Marlies who are still rolling through the league.

Give the people of Mile One a win today.

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Unfortunate timing of the Marlies games.

IceCaps might keep two points at home today, an early sunday game with the home side needing it much, much, more than the Marlies who are still rolling through the league.

Give the people of Mile One a win today.
That's all I ask is for a win in general. Or we must lose all games in the name of "prospect development".

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The team is not playing well...meh. Their job is to develop prospects, not win games. So long as a steady stream of players are coming to Winnipeg from the system, that's all they need to do. Winning games is not a priority, but a mere bonus. If that's not your cup of tea, you should probably find some other entertainment.
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I'm sorry if i want my team to win and not be embrassed every night .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE

Go explain that to the people at Mile One.No silver lining for this terrible season.Sell out streak is still in tact for now..

No excuses for no heart,compete etc.Rather develop prospects in a winning environment.
I think Holden's comment was a bit harsh. After losing the Jets 1.0 for many years and inheriting the Moose, most of us understand the fine balance between supporting the parent NHL team and wanting a hard-hitting, talented and winning team locally. I am certain TNSE wants to build a winning affiliate in St Johns and is as surprised as the rest of us that the Caps have fallen off a cliff. Be patient and you will be rewarded (the Chipman motto).
We feel your pain and, hopefully, won't have to endure similar frustration in Wpg this season...but you never know.

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Terrible start.

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I think Holden's comment was a bit harsh. After losing the Jets 1.0 for many years and inheriting the Moose, most of us understand the fine balance between supporting the parent NHL team and wanting a hard-hitting, talented and winning team locally. I am certain TNSE wants to build a winning affiliate in St Johns and is as surprised as the rest of us that the Caps have fallen off a cliff. Be patient and you will be rewarded (the Chipman motto).
We feel your pain and, hopefully, won't have to endure similar frustration in Wpg this season...but you never know.
I agree Scelaton. Getting on TNSE or Zinger for lack of AHL success in year 2 seems ridiculous and childish. Especially when some people wanted to use some of the AHL moves to disparage TNSE as only caring about their AHL team. Which is it? TNSE is terrible because they only care about their AHL team, or they're terrible because they don't care at all? Jebus.

Give them time to actually build a team before complaining.

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A PP goal!

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O'Dell has really turned it on. Striving to be the "guy" on the diminished line up.

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O'Dell has really turned it on. Striving to be the "guy" on the diminished line up.
Good for him. Glad to see it.

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Please for the LOVE OF GOD, hold this lead.

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It is beyond embrassing we have lost 7 in a row at home.Gagnon has been beyond terrible.

I get developing prospects but guys like O'Neill,Sol shouldn't be playing.They can't play at this level at least not right now.

I'm sorry if i want my team to win and not be embrassed every night .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE

Go explain that to the people at Mile One.No silver lining for this terrible season.Sell out streak is still in tact for now..

No excuses for no heart,compete etc.Rather develop prospects in a winning environment.
Trust me, you won't find a guy that wants Gagnon out of the organization more than me. He is useless, but the Jets have no other options with him, he is under contract until the end of the season.

I think O'Neill is a typical prospect, ups and downs, but still has some upside. Sol, meh.

I understand that you want your team to win. Sorry if I come off as harsh, I am not advocating intentionally having a losing team, or intentionally losing games. But the cold harsh truth is winning in the AHL means little to nothing. 70% of these teams are owned by NHL clubs, and their sole purpose is to develop prospects, with winning being a secondary goal. While it'd be nice to win in St. John's, it's been proven there's little to no correlation between winning in AHL and good NHL development.

I am just unsure of what you expect to be done. Moves from outside the organization are not the answer, O'Neill, Pasquale, Telegin, Klingberg need to get better. They need to lead the team and start winning games.

Again, I am hoping in a year or two the team will start to be competitive without the need for guys like Ramsay, Jaffray, King, etc, and they will be like Manchester, who uses 97% NHL prospects on their team while still being a very solid team. But that will take a couple of years yet at least.

I understand being frustrated about your team not winning, whom you are paying good money to go see. I do. But right now is probably one of the best times for St. John's will a bunch of young guys playing key minutes. That's what is good about AHL, watching the stars of tomorrow.

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