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Neo-Cons mobilize against Chuck Hagel nomination

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12-19-2012, 10:02 AM
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Neo-Cons mobilize against Chuck Hagel nomination

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WASHINGTON - Neo-conservatives and leaders of the powerful Israel lobby are mobilising their forces in what looks like an all-out campaign to pre-empt the nomination by President Barack Obama of an outspoken former Republican senator and decorated Vietnam War hero to replace Leon Panetta as secretary of defence.

The campaign was launched last week after senior White House officials leaked word that Chuck Hagel, who also co-chairs the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), was likely to get the nomination whenever, as expected any time, Panetta formally announces his retirement.

It gathered steam in the last few days with prominent neo-cons leading the charge against the former Nebraska senator.

If Obama goes ahead with the nomination, it could signal a key shift in U.S. Middle East policy, if only because Hagel, a Republican realist in the tradition of former President Dwight Eisenhower and Secretary of State James Baker, has been a forthright critic of some of Israel’s policies and a consistent advocate of diplomatic engagement with Iran.

In fact, some observers would see his nomination as “payback” to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who clashed repeatedly with Obama during his first term over Jewish settlement expansion in the West Bank and his repeated threats to attack Iran. Netanyahu also made little secret of his preference for Republican Gov. Mitt Romney in last month’s presidential election.

Indeed, fears among neo-conservatives and the more mainstream Israel lobby here that Obama intends to exert real pressure on Israel in his second term appear to be motivating the burgeoning campaign against Hagel’s possible nomination.
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It would be pretty bad for that jew hating racist to be a cabinet secretary.

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It would be pretty bad for that jew hating racist to be a cabinet secretary.
Chuck Hagel hates jews? I didn't get the memo, maybe you should double check before you and your extremist friends try to assassinate a well respected politician's character.

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It would be pretty bad for that jew hating racist to be a cabinet secretary.
Obviously, the portrait of Adolf Hitler above his desk would need to come down, as well as the Torquemada collector plates in the curio cabinet behind his chair. And probably the "PLO Wins Munich Gold" plaque should get use to seeing the inside of a drawer for a little while at least.

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It would be pretty bad for that jew hating racist to be a cabinet secretary.
Judaism is a religion.

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Joking aside, seeing the pro-Israeli cabal get their panties in a bunch over an honorable public servant who's only sleight against Israel was to cast doubt on it's supposed "omnipotence" over the US political process is definitely worth the price of admission.

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Judaism is a religion.
One can also be ethnically Jewish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

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The Jews, also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.

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One can also be ethnically Jewish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
Or one could consider them Semites.

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Semitic Ethnicity

In Medieval Europe, all Asian peoples were thought of as descendants of Shem. By the nineteenth century, the term Semitic was confined to the ethnic groups who have historically spoken Semitic languages. These peoples were often considered to be a distinct race. However, some anti-Semitic racial theorists of the time argued that the Semitic peoples arose from the blurring of distinctions between previously separate races. This supposed process was referred to as Semiticization by the race-theorist Arthur de Gobineau. The notion that Semitic identity was a product of racial "confusion" was later taken up by the Nazi ideologue Alfred Rosenberg.[citation needed]

In contrast, some recent genetic studies found that analysis of the DNA of Semitic-speaking peoples suggests that they have some common ancestry. Though no significant common mitochondrial results have been yielded, Y-chromosomal links between Semitic-speaking Near-Eastern peoples like Arabs, Hebrews and Assyrians have proved fruitful, despite differences contributed from other groups (see Y-chromosomal Aaron). Sayyid, who are Shia Muslims, are of Semitic origin, and many of them live in Iraq, Iran and as far east as the Indian Subcontinent. In North India, researchers have done DNA testing on Sayyid and have linked them closely to Arabs and Jews, more than to their geographic neighbours, due to migration to India a few hundred years ago from the Middle East.[13] The studies attribute this correlation to a common Near Eastern origin, since Semitic-speaking Near Easterners from the Fertile Crescent (including Jews) were found to be more closely related to non-Semitic speaking Near Easterners (such as Iranians, Anatolians, and Caucasians) than to other Semitic-speakers (such as Gulf Arabs, Ethiopian Semites, and North African Arabs).
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Obviously, the portrait of Adolf Hitler above his desk would need to come down, as well as the Torquemada collector plates in the curio cabinet behind his chair. And probably the "PLO Wins Munich Gold" plaque should get use to seeing the inside of a drawer for a little while at least.
The first two were funny, the last one was poor taste.

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I thought all 3 were funny.

Not a fan of Hagel's nomination if Obama's doing it as a way to spite Netanyahu, but if Hagel is put in place, I hope he does do a better job of engaging the Palestinians and Iranis. It's about time the US stopped coddling the Israelis, especially with that radical Netanyahu at the helm.

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Burke the Moron going for a new low, apparently.

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I thought all 3 were funny.

Not a fan of Hagel's nomination if Obama's doing it as a way to spite Netanyahu, but if Hagel is put in place, I hope he does do a better job of engaging the Palestinians and Iranis. It's about time the US stopped coddling the Israelis, especially with that radical Netanyahu at the helm.
If Netanyahu is a radical what do you consider Ahmadinejad?

If you find athletes being murdered funny than you have an interesting sense of humor.

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If Netanyahu is a radical what do you consider Ahmadinejad?

If you find athletes being murdered funny than you have an interesting sense of humor.
Lighten up. It's called black humour.

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Lighten up. It's called black humour.
That's racist!

Oh, and I laughed at Slip's post.

Lots of humor is in bad taste. That's where the funny is.

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If Netanyahu is a radical what do you consider Ahmadinejad?
Just as radical. Ahmadinejad is a nutjob, he does have some very interesting points between the insanity. But why does one person have to be insane and not another? Both Netanyahu and Ahmadinejad aren't good for the middle east.

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Just as radical. Ahmadinejad is a nutjob, he does have some very interesting points between the insanity. But why does one person have to be insane and not another? Both Netanyahu and Ahmadinejad aren't good for the middle east.
That sounds about right.

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Except Ahmadinejad isn't the power in Iran.

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Except Ahmadinejad isn't the power in Iran.
Which always puzzles me when they use Ahmadinejad's rhetoric as proof Iran is unstable. The man is but a political figure, with very little executive power. And he isn't even on good term with the islamic clergy.

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Obviously, the portrait of Adolf Hitler above his desk would need to come down, as well as the Torquemada collector plates in the curio cabinet behind his chair. And probably the "PLO Wins Munich Gold" plaque should get use to seeing the inside of a drawer for a little while at least.
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Which always puzzles me when they use Ahmadinejad's rhetoric as proof Iran is unstable. The man is but a political figure, with very little executive power. And he isn't even on good term with the islamic clergy.
So the Islamic clergy runs the show and that's supposed to make it better?

Anyway I hope Hagel does get the nod. People forget that America uses the foreign aid it gives out in the ME as leverage against its recipients. Israel can continue to forge its defense industry relationships with the USA while not being held back.

The nefarious Zionist lobby in DC surely has an effect on American ME policy, but so does the Saudi lobby. How will senator Hagel deal with this issue? I think the Gulf states had just as much involvement with pushing us into Iraq than the Israeli lobby.

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So the Islamic clergy runs the show and that's supposed to make it better?
Did I say that?

I'm pretty sure I did not say that.

The only thing it means is that the Iranian President's rhetoric cannot be used as clue toward Iran's agenda.

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Did I say that?

I'm pretty sure I did not say that.

The only thing it means is that the Iranian President's rhetoric cannot be used as clue toward Iran's agenda.
His job is to draw the heat away from the clergy.

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His job is to draw the heat away from the clergy.
Aye. Taking a page from Douglas Adam's book of governing.

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so you think jews should just ignore the guy advocating their destruction?

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