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01-25-2013, 12:19 AM
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Newbury's up with the Rangers, Hrivik has a concussion, Kolarik's gone, and everyone else on that list is debatable. Also, it's the AHL All Star game. Who gives a ****?
Because we shouldn't be rewarding people for no reason. Sets a bad precedent. Hartford's two worst players in +/- are Miller (-10) and Kreider (-6). One got promoted to the NHL, and one is an AHL All Star. Total BS. They were some of the worst players on the team, why are they getting promoted?

Bourque, Jean, Parlett, Pyett would've all been better options.

How's the rest of the team supposed to feel now? "No matter what I do, the organization will favor their Golden Boys, so why would I play like a give a damn?"

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Because we shouldn't be rewarding people for no reason. Sets a bad precedent. Hartford's two worst players in +/- are Miller (-10) and Kreider (-6). One got promoted to the NHL, and one is an AHL All Star. Total BS. They were some of the worst players on the team, why are they getting promoted?

Bourque, Jean, Parlett, Pyett would've all been better options.

How's the rest of the team supposed to feel now? "No matter what I do, the organization will favor their Golden Boys, so why would I play like a give a damn?"
You're judging guys based on +/- now? Really? You think Kreider's up because he's a golden boy? None of Bourque, Jean, Parlett, and Pyett are doing anything all that noteworthy. As idiotic as I think the McIlrath pick was, maybe the organization is just a better judge of overall hockey play than you are.

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You're judging guys based on +/- now? Really? You think Kreider's up because he's a golden boy? None of Bourque, Jean, Parlett, and Pyett are doing anything all that noteworthy. As idiotic as I think the McIlrath pick was, maybe the organization is just a better judge of overall hockey play than you are.

Again, why are people viewing everything as a 0 or 100% game? Citing +/- does not mean that I'm judging people purely based on that, but it's an easy way to illustrate something to people who don't watch CW games.

Neither Kreider nor Miller has been good in Hartford. Miller looks like he doesn't belong on the team. He's lost on the ice. He doesn't think fast enough to play against adults. I've documented this live when I was commenting on kids' plays as they were playing in Hartford. He can barely keep up with the game. The only thing he does well is shield the puck from the opponents using his body as he carries it along the boards. Everything else is not at a pro level... yet.

While Jean, Parlett and Pyett haven't done anything noteworthy, at least they look like they belong in the AHL. They are solid AHL players, which is more than can be said about Miller right now. He looks like what he is: a teenager playing against adults. I'm sure he'll get better, but the All Star game is not a list of top prospects, it's for players who are the best in the league today.

As for my record in judging players, I'm sorry that I don't go with the hype and just repeat what everyone else says.

1. Kreider will struggle in the NHL. Check.
2. Miller will have a hard time in the AHL. Check.
3. Hrivik should be the guy we call up. Check. (Look in this thread where I was the only one pimping him for a long time before Brooks reported the Rangers want to call him up.)
4. The Rangers will have depth issues this year. Check.
5. Thomas is struggling and needs to get benched. Check.
6. Newbury is playing really well in Hartford and should be an option to get called up. Check.
7. Haley is useless in Hartford and shouldn't be seen as our #13 guy. Check. (Look who got called up.)
8. Mash is worse than Newbury. Check.
9. Miss is playing much better and should get more starts. Check.
10. Klassen is playing well and should be moved up to the first pairing. Check.
11. The salary cap will not go down from what it was in 2011-12. Check. (Remember how many arguments I had on this where the "accepted opinion" was that I was crazy to suggest this?)


Name one time in the recent past that I've been wrong on players. Sure, it sounds like a crazy old man blabbering when I say that Newbury is outplaying Miller, or that Hrivik is right now our best young guy in the farm, but there's a reason for why I say it.

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I love that you think think I'm disagreeing with every single post you've ever made whenever I disagree with you. You talk about Hrivik like you're the one who scouted and signed him. I don't think I've seen anyone make a critical post about him ever.

As for the rest of the guys, the fact is that Kreider and Miller are the ones with the most definite NHL futures. I don't know why exactly they picked Miller to go to the all star game. Maybe they think it'll be good for his development. Maybe some of the other guys didn't want to go. Maybe they just feel like Miller's just made some nice progression overall and they want to reward him. Like I said before, the AHL all star game is meaningless.

In any event, I don't give a **** about the feelings of the Parletts and the Pyetts. They have almost no chance of ever cracking the big squad so they don't really matter. Exactly how good Newbury, Mashinter, and the like are doesn't really matter. They're never going to be good enough to be NHLers.


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Newbury's up with the Rangers, Hrivik has a concussion, Kolarik's gone, and everyone else on that list is debatable. Also, it's the AHL All Star game. Who gives a ****?
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Whale winning 4-1 so far..



Mashinter scored another goal tonight. he has pts in 3 straight games. i wonder if NYR will consider calling him up.. Benn Ferriero has an assist and 5 shots on net so far. these 2 new players have been doing alright..

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Whale winning 4-1 so far..



Mashinter scored another goal tonight. he has pts in 3 straight games. i wonder if NYR will consider calling him up.. Benn Ferriero has an assist and 5 shots on net so far. these 2 new players have been doing alright..
I'm all for it. Torts did say no one from the Whale would be called up BUT he hasn't seen these guys play.

Not saying Mashinter will save the season but maybe he can inject a little life into those bottom lines. Prust was a fringe NHLer before coming to the Rangers and now he's a multimillionaire, maybe they can make a new Prust.

Is Mashinter a good skater and does he PK?

Also Ferriero wasn't a bad player San Jose in the little I saw him. He'd add a different dynamic to the Rangers with his speed.

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I'm all for it. Torts did say no one from the Whale would be called up BUT he hasn't seen these guys play.

Not saying Mashinter will save the season but maybe he can inject a little life into those bottom lines. Prust was a fringe NHLer before coming to the Rangers and now he's a multimillionaire, maybe they can make a new Prust.

Is Mashinter a good skater and does he PK?

Also Ferriero wasn't a bad player San Jose in the little I saw him. He'd add a different dynamic to the Rangers with his speed.

i have center ice... Ferriero i feel would be a good fit cause of his skating and speed... he did score some big goals for san jose....








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I'm all for it. Torts did say no one from the Whale would be called up BUT he hasn't seen these guys play.

Not saying Mashinter will save the season but maybe he can inject a little life into those bottom lines. Prust was a fringe NHLer before coming to the Rangers and now he's a multimillionaire, maybe they can make a new Prust.

Is Mashinter a good skater and does he PK?

Also Ferriero wasn't a bad player San Jose in the little I saw him. He'd add a different dynamic to the Rangers with his speed.
From what SJ fans said, he was on the third PK unit (Mash) in the A (but they had 4 excellent ones) and that he was ok, but would be unlikely to kill penalties in the NHL.

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Stajcer doing better in Greenville. 4 goals on 74 shots in the last 2 games. That's 2.00 GAA and .932 SV%. Now let's hope he can keep it up. He's been alternating starts since Christmas.

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How does Gernander keep his job? Anisimov is the only player to have an excellent offensive year under Gernander. Arty played with PA Parenteau so that helped him. Yogan and Thomas scored how many goals in the OHL? Schoenfeld loves Gernander. What are the discussions between the other front members when Schoeny isn't around? A change in philospophy. A new voice.

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Stajcer doing better in Greenville. 4 goals on 74 shots in the last 2 games. That's 2.00 GAA and .932 SV%. Now let's hope he can keep it up. He's been alternating starts since Christmas.
Greenville in First Place in there division team is playing well with some nice young players .They have alot of rookies in there line up every game

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How does Gernander keep his job? Anisimov is the only player to have an excellent offensive year under Gernander. Arty played with PA Parenteau so that helped him. Yogan and Thomas scored how many goals in the OHL? Schoenfeld loves Gernander. What are the discussions between the other front members when Schoeny isn't around? A change in philospophy. A new voice.
Seriously. He's on his 6th year (Jeez has it been over 5 years now?) with nothing to show for it - and quite possibly a lot of damage done. No players developed. Multiple quality prospects demanding out. Not even any real success in the AHL as a team. Why is he still the coach?

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Gernander not drafting them . Almighty all knowing Gordie Clark is the man who should lose his job .
He passes up sure fire ready to go NHL talent for projects .

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Gernander not drafting them . Almighty all knowing Gordie Clark is the man who should lose his job .
He passes up sure fire ready to go NHL talent for projects .
Really? Please see his track record. It will prove you're wrong

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Gernander not drafting them . Almighty all knowing Gordie Clark is the man who should lose his job .
He passes up sure fire ready to go NHL talent for projects .
And yet, magically, this same guy who sends nothing but duds to the AHL has a phenomenal track record with guys who develop in college or overseas...

Clark also clearly is the reason that Grachev, Kundratek, Korpikoski, etc. all demanded to be traded.

Funny that.

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Have you ever heard the story of Pierre the Engineer ....
They say he built 1000 bridges but he just once ....
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how is Haley doing?

why has Segal, Newbury , Ferriero all been called up ahead of him?

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Here you get a pretty look at the "depth" on the Whale
Quite the young team

If we expect to see Noreau, Fast, Lindberg & MSC added here next year as well - it gets even younger...
I would therefore expect to see some more "shakeup trades" when talent evaluations get more definite. We also have 3 pretty good prospects in the NCAA (as in Fogarty, Skjei & Nieves).
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Name Pos Age Size GP AHL G AHL A AHL P AHL GP NHL G NHL A NHL P NHL DraftedHF Prospect Rankings
McIlrath, Dylan RD 20 6'5"/215 11 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 R1 #10 NYR (2010) 7.0 C
Parlett, Blake RD 23 6'1"/205 128 9 37 46 0 0 0 0 Undrafted 6.0 C
Pyett, Logan RD 24 5'10"/199 330 27 86 113 0 0 0 0 R7 #212 Detroit (2006) 6.0 D
Klassen, Sam (AHL) LD 24 6'1"/196 81 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 Undrafted 5.0 C
Vernace, Mike LD 26 6'0"/216 439 21 129 150 22 0 1 1 R7 #201 San Jose (2004) 6.0 C
Collins, Sean RD 29 6'1"/208 321 9 58 67 21 2 1 3 Undrafted 6.0 D
Miller, J.T. C/RW 19 6'2"/195 42 7 11 18 0 0 0 0 R1 #15 NYR (2011) 7.0 C
Thomas, Christian RW 20 5'9"/170 42 9 7 16 0 0 0 0 R2 #40 NYR (2010) 7.5 D
Hrivik, Marek LW 21 6'1"/197 49 10 22 32 0 0 0 0 Undrafted 6.5 C
Yogan, Andrew LW/C 21 6'3"/205 24 3 3 6 0 0 0 0 R4 #100 NYR (2010) 6.5 C
Bourque, Ryan F 22 5'9"/164 116 13 15 28 0 0 0 0 R3 #80 NYR (2009) 6.5 D
Jean, Kyle C 22 6'4"/203 43 8 10 18 0 0 0 0 Undrafted 6.5 D
Wilson, Jason LW 22 6'3"/210 5 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 R5 #130 NYR (2010) 5.5 D
Tessier, Kelsey (AHL) C 23 5'9"/169 204 30 47 77 0 0 0 0 R4 #110 Colorado (2008) 7.0 D
Wiebe, Shayne (AHL) C/RW 23 5'10"/185 34 1 6 7 0 0 0 0 Undrafted NA
Mashinter, Brandon LW 24 6'4"/235 252 57 62 119 13 0 0 0 Undrafted 6.5 C
Ferriero, Benn C/RW 25 5'11"/189 200 53 80 133 92 14 8 22 R7 #196 Phoenix (2006) 6.5 C
Haley, Micheal LW 26 5'11"/200 200 45 39 84 43 2 1 3 Undrafted NA
Segal, Brandon RW 29 6'2"/209 595 144 163 307 103 11 11 22 R4 #102 Nashville (2002)NA
Newbury, Kris C 30 5'10"/205 595 144 292 436 67 4 4 8 R5 #139 San Jose (2002) NA

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how is Haley doing?

why has Segal, Newbury , Ferriero all been called up ahead of him?
Because Haley is a waste of space. I'm not sure what his role is.


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Greenville in First Place in there division team is playing well with some nice young players .They have alot of rookies in there line up every game
Sometimes I wonder how much of a gap there is between Hartford and Greenville. Logic suggests it's significant, but sometimes I wonder if there's really a significant difference between the top half of players in Greenville and the bottom half of the players in Hartford.

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Nice spread sheet and all c-d prospects in 5-7 range . Not exactly a stacked deck for the parent club to play with .

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How does Gernander keep his job? Anisimov is the only player to have an excellent offensive year under Gernander. Arty played with PA Parenteau so that helped him. Yogan and Thomas scored how many goals in the OHL? Schoenfeld loves Gernander. What are the discussions between the other front members when Schoeny isn't around? A change in philospophy. A new voice.
Exactly. What the hell does Ken Gernander know about developing prospects and being able to make guys ready for the NHL from the AHL? I looked at his stats so I could be exact about this. 27 NHL games to 973 AHL games. That is ridiculous. It's no wonder players like Christian Thomas, Ryan Bourque, JT Miller and Andrew Yogan all seem to struggle mightly under Gernander despite having great seasons in the OHL.

I think it's safe to say that since Gernander has taken over, no Rangers player has benefited from a serious long term stay in the AHL with Gernander, Michael Sauer and Anisimov being the exceptions not the norm.

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If we expect to see Noreau, Fast, Lindberg & MSC added here next year as well - it gets even younger.
But the current young players should adjust to the pro game. Miller and McIlrath look really raw right now. You can see flashes, but if the final minute of the AHL Finals, I want Klassen defending instead of McIlrath and I most definitely want Newbury over Miller at forward.

Someone like Hrivik, Wiebe and Bourque, who are regarded as raw players today. I'm hoping Miller, McIlrath, Jean, Yogan and Thomas (or at least some of them) will come into their own and stop making blatant rookie mistakes.

That would make it easier to incorporate MSC, Lindberg, Fast and Noreau that much easier.


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We also have 3 pretty good prospects in the NCAA (as in Fogarty, Skjei & Nieves).
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I think you are dreaming. Foggy is an NCAA fourth liner, and college is far worse than the AHL. The kid is so raw, he'd have trouble in the ECHL right now. Skjei is better, but he's also younger and a defenseman, so he has no chance to keep up at the AHL level. Nieves may be the closest to the AHL, but again, I don't see how he is capable of doing it next year. He's not strong enough physically and not polished enough either. He's better served being a first liner in college.

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But the current young players should adjust to the pro game. Miller and McIlrath look really raw right now. You can see flashes, but if the final minute of the AHL Finals, I want Klassen defending instead of McIlrath and I most definitely want Newbury over Miller at forward.

Someone like Hrivik, Wiebe and Bourque, who are regarded as raw players today. I'm hoping Miller, McIlrath, Jean, Yogan and Thomas (or at least some of them) will come into their own and stop making blatant rookie mistakes.

That would make it easier to incorporate MSC, Lindberg, Fast and Noreau that much easier.
You seem to be very up to date here and engaged so I take your word for it. Not often a prospect comes to the AHL and PRESTO adjusts immediately. Hopefully most of the 5 you mentioned continue to progress.


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I think you are dreaming. Foggy is an NCAA fourth liner, and college is far worse than the AHL. The kid is so raw, he'd have trouble in the ECHL right now. Skjei is better, but he's also younger and a defenseman, so he has no chance to keep up at the AHL level. Nieves may be the closest to the AHL, but again, I don't see how he is capable of doing it next year. He's not strong enough physically and not polished enough either. He's better served being a first liner in college.
Maybe I am dreaming, seem to do that a bit. But I think they are going to develop in the NCAA. All three of them. Will they all become professionals? Well at least maybe 2 of them. Will they all become NHLers? Hopefully 1 or 2... But it looks like these guys are on the longer road to get there. Does not mean they are ready for pro play next year, you must have misinterpreted what I meant or I was maybe unclear...

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The American Hockey League has announced the starting lineups for Monday night’s 2013 AHL All-Star Game, to be played at the Dunkin’ Donuts Center in Providence, R.I.
Eastern Conference
G Niklas Svedberg, Providence Bruins
D Matt Donovan, Bridgeport Sound Tigers
D Tim Erixon, Springfield Falcons
F Jonathan Audy-Marchessault, Springfield Falcons
F Bobby Butler, Albany Devils
F Nino Niederreiter, Bridgeport Sound Tigers


http://theahl.com/all-star-starting-...ounced-p181536

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