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NHL lockout: Fehr unafraid of long fight

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12-20-2012, 02:48 PM
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Why not ask Gary? He was the one going on about record revenues "for the league." He didn't say it was just three teams and took the credit. Per your assessment, we should give Dolan, MLSE and Molson all the credit.




I know. Somehow fans are trying to argue that the owners or Fehr should be in this for them.
Neither is in it for the fans. Each (Fehr and Bettman) is trying to do his job, which is to represent his employers.

Who are those fans kidding?

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Of course Fehr is unafraid of long fight. He could shut the game down for 2 or more years and he wouldn't care. He's not a hockey fan - he doesn't get enjoyment out of watching games.

Hockey just happens to justify his existence in our lives right now, where his job is to cry wolf and to **** things up for as long as possible, so he can keep getting his big salary.

If there were labor peace, what good is he? Seriously.
Replace "Fehr" with "Bettman" and it's more accurate.

How can people get angry at Fehr when you look at the guy sitting across the table from him? Seriously.

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12-20-2012, 02:54 PM
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I think Fehr cares about the people that pay him to look out for their collective interests.
“We have to remind people that the words we use — free agency, the reserve system, the amateur draft and all that stuff — are simply economic devices to control prices,” Fehr said. “That is all they are. Owners like them, because the way they control the price is to lower the price of what they buy and to increase the price of what they sell. That is what cartels do.”
Then the old baseball guy reached back for one last fastball.
“Player rights are not inconsistent with a booming industry,” Fehr said. “The proof is what the Dodgers sold for.”
World Series ratings since 1984:



Just more evidence of a "booming industry" I guess.

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12-20-2012, 03:04 PM
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They should be. The only thing that will change their mind the next time is if the walls collapse after the lockout ends. If the fans come back in droves the owners and PA have zero reason to care about the fans or the game of hockey.
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World Series ratings since 1984:

Just more evidence of a "booming industry" I guess.

Now please post a chart that compares MLB franchise values over the same time period.

If that doesn't convince you owners are in it for their own gain, nothing will.

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12-20-2012, 03:10 PM
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Replace "Fehr" with "Bettman" and it's more accurate.

How can people get angry at Fehr when you look at the guy sitting across the table from him? Seriously.
Bettman has been commissioner for 20 years.

How long has Fehr been involved with hockey, 18 months?

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Who should Fehr be in this for : The Players as a Union

The players brought him in for a reason, and that is what he is doing for them.

The players are sitting in every negotiation with the league, how can he be lying to them?

He is not taking a pay check during the lockout (neither is Bettman) so he is not in this for the money.

Labour battles are not clean, some players won't play again after this lockout, that is just how it is. Every battle has casualties. The idea that there will be no league if this lockout goes on long enough is ridiculous. The same as the idea that the CBA the league wants will fix its problems. Neither are correct.

IMO this isn't about money, this is about the Union fighting to be taken seriously as a union and maintain the rights of the players, and the league trying to break the union and gain significantly more control over the players. What happened to the partnership GB was talking about after the last lockout.

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Why would he be afraid of a long fight? Was Goodenow? It's the people that are being directly affected that have to fear about a long fight and of all the people involved, Fehr and his brother are the only ones not closely tied to the situation that they should or would be afraid of a long battle.

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12-20-2012, 03:17 PM
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Bettman has been commissioner for 20 years.

With three lockouts to show for it, along with a slew of bad ownership selections.

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Interesting that right about the time the interwebs arrived, network tv ratings for sports declined. Clearly its proof of the most insidious of Fehrs demands - the dreaded kitten eating clause. Bettman bless his soul, is standing up for kittens everywhere to prevent this evil man from getting his wish for 6 live kittens served to him with Béarnaise sauce as a pre-condition for settling the cba.

The team owners are the ones who are some of the richest in the world with the best lawyers in the world and who are playing a demonstrably text book case of hardball to maximize their leverage and the concessions they wring from the players. Fehr better be unafraid of a long fight, his choices arent plentiful.

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Replace "Fehr" with "Bettman" and it's more accurate.

How can people get angry at Fehr when you look at the guy sitting across the table from him? Seriously.
I know, I just come here to laugh now. Bettman has 90% of the people here fooled.

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World Series ratings since 1984:



Just more evidence of a "booming industry" I guess.
Now pull up the US Stanley cup ratings since 1996.


1996.

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Why not ask Gary? He was the one going on about record revenues "for the league." He didn't say it was just three teams and took the credit. Per your assessment, we should give Dolan, MLSE and Molson all the credit.
I will give Bettman credit for revenues not dropping in less traditional markets, because he found a system that made the NHL competitive on the ice.

Any team with a good GM that can develop, follow and execute a good plan can have some success in the NHL on the ice at some point.

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World Series ratings since 1984:



Just more evidence of a "booming industry" I guess.
MLB, perhaps the first bubble that will burst in professional sports.

Franchise values will drop, player salaries will drop, it will get ugly and it will be fun to watch.

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MLB, perhaps the first bubble that will burst in professional sports.

Franchise values will drop, player salaries will drop, it will get ugly and it will be fun to watch.
Yes true, but as the Donophiles like to say

"Labour peace in baseball since 1994"


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MLB, perhaps the first bubble that will burst in professional sports.

Franchise values will drop, player salaries will drop, it will get ugly and it will be fun to watch.
The bubble burst on the NHL a while ago with all of the zombie franchises.

MLB will have $8 billion in revenue by 2014. Bettman will be dead before the NHL gets to $8 billion.

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MLB, perhaps the first bubble that will burst in professional sports.

Franchise values will drop, player salaries will drop, it will get ugly and it will be fun to watch.
TV revenue has covered up alot of issues in MLB.....remember the iceberg under the water, you don't see that causes all the damage...it will be interesting...

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The bubble burst on the NHL a while ago with all of the zombie franchises.

MLB will have $8 billion in revenue by 2014. Bettman will be dead before the NHL gets to $8 billion.
as will Don Fehr

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Now please post a chart that compares MLB franchise values over the same time period.

If that doesn't convince you owners are in it for their own gain, nothing will.
And you don't think the owner of a private, for-profit business should be in it for their own gain?

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Of course Fehr isn't afraid of a long fight. If the sport of hockey is wiped from the cultural landscape and forgotten, what does that cost Donald Fehr?

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The bubble burst on the NHL a while ago with all of the zombie franchises.

MLB will have $8 billion in revenue by 2014. Bettman will be dead before the NHL gets to $8 billion.
Generated by how many clubs? How relevant will MLB be in places other than New York, Boston, and Los Angeles?

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Now please post a chart that compares MLB franchise values over the same time period.

If that doesn't convince you owners are in it for their own gain, nothing will.
Honest question: do you think MLB franchises are going to retain their value if that ratings trend continues?

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TV revenue has covered up alot of issues in MLB.....remember the iceberg under the water, you don't see that causes all the damage...it will be interesting...
Show any businessman the fundamentals of the economy of baseball in 1988 and 2012 and ask him which one he'd choose.

- 30,000 a game paying premium prices in cash cow ballparks funded by the public, regional TV networks paying billions to show every game and huge national TV contracts

- 20,000 a game paying cheap prices in doughnut football stadiums, regional TV networks showing 1 game in 3 and paying a few million dollars, and TV contracts showing 1 game a week nationally. But the World Series gets a few more eyeballs.

What do you think he's gonna choose?

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Why not ask Gary? He was the one going on about record revenues "for the league." He didn't say it was just three teams and took the credit. Per your assessment, we should give Dolan, MLSE and Molson all the credit.




I know. Somehow fans are trying to argue that the owners or Fehr should be in this for them.
In the sense that we are their customers and lifeblood, they should be in it for us fans to a certain point. No company survives by p!ss!ng on it's customers.

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Honest question: do you think MLB franchises are going to retain their value if that ratings trend continues?

Yes.

You know what might change it, but certainly not to NHL levels? If the cable TV pay structure is legally forced to change. Bundling channels and forcing everyone to pay for ESPN, for example, when may be a third of subscribers actually watch it. The other factor is digital media rights and how that plays out on new platforms over the next decade.

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