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How good would Canada be if there was no lockout?

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12-19-2012, 11:11 PM
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How good would Canada be if there was no lockout?

Would they still be a tournament favorite?

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12-19-2012, 11:13 PM
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Would they still be a tournament favorite?
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12-19-2012, 11:16 PM
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Replace Hamilton with Corrado, RNH with Monahan, and Huberdeau with Wilson, maybe?

But Russia loses Yakupov as well, so I think they'd still be favourites.

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12-19-2012, 11:18 PM
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RNH and probably Huberdeau would be playing in the NHL.

Guys like Hamilton, Rielly, Scheifele, and Jenner could possibly suit up for their respective clubs too.

It would be a massive blow (obviously) to the team, but I think they would still bring one of the best teams in the tournament.

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12-19-2012, 11:23 PM
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Canada is always a favourite. Expectations going into the tournament every year is Gold or bust. At least IMO.

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Definately still a contender for gold. Although their team won't be as great, they will still be favorites I think.

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Canada is always a favourite. Expectations going into the tournament every year is Gold or bust. At least IMO.
i tend to agree with this, however other countries have players who could be in the NHL too, id still say Canada would be the favourite but it wouldn't be easy thats for sure.

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12-20-2012, 01:44 AM
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Canada would lose some really good top-end talent, but it's not like other countries that are contenders for the gold don't take hits to their roster as well; Yakupov is a good example.

Canada has lots of depth this year anyways IMO. Corrado would replace Dougie Hamilton most likely if he made the NHL. Lots of other options on forward to replace RNH and Huberdeau. It would just mean Strome, Rattie, Scheifele, and Ritchie would be more relied upon to score. It's not like MacKinnon and Drioun are terrible assets to have on the third line either.

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The lockout certainly helps them, but Canada is always a favourite in this tournament. I don't know if they would be THE favourite, but when you have the depth of talent that Canada can bring to the table yearly, you can't ever count the Canadians as less than one of the top 3 teams going in.

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12-20-2012, 01:58 AM
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Canada would lose some really good top-end talent, but it's not like other countries that are contenders for the gold don't take hits to their roster as well; Yakupov is a good example.

Canada has lots of depth this year anyways IMO. Corrado would replace Dougie Hamilton most likely if he made the NHL. Lots of other options on forward to replace RNH and Huberdeau. It would just mean Strome, Rattie, Scheifele, and Ritchie would be more relied upon to score. It's not like MacKinnon and Drioun are terrible assets to have on the third line either.
Schiefele also gone most likely.

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12-20-2012, 02:24 AM
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Schiefele also gone most likely.
Oops, my bad there. Opens a spot for Jenner then. I don't see Jenner in the NHL with Davidson in the organization now; no more rushing prospects for them. Also gives MacKinnon a chance to play more. I think we'd still be favourites regardless, which is my point. We're fairly deep this year.

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12-23-2012, 11:41 AM
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If by favorite you mean according to what's on paper then I would say yes.

- Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov definately a major upgrade from Nilsson, Gagner and Cogliano but still overall the team is not good enough to be serious contender.
-Ryan Strome- too many centermen on the Isles as it is. ineligible for the AHL if I recall correctly
Hamilton- No space on the Bruins D-line for him regardless of how good may be
Reinhart- Drafted defencemen hadrly make the team out of training camp.

Roster is composed of players from top amateur clubs (OHL, QMJHL, WHL) out which perhaps two had a slim chance at an NHL roster spot. lone exception is Nugent-Hopkins so lockout or no lockout all the players would still be present.

of course just because they're here don't give Canada the gold just yet. Having the best team on paper is one thing. Putting the best team on the ice is quite another

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of course just because they're here don't give Canada the gold just yet. Having the best team on paper is one thing. Putting the best team on the ice is quite another
I think we've already seen in the pre-tournament games how tough things are going to be, stacked lineup or not. The lsit of names is impressive, but the chemistry has been a little slower to develop than many were expecting. The tournament scheduler did Canada a favour when it put the first two opponents as Germany and Slovakia, allowing them some extra time to gel and get their confidence up.

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12-23-2012, 12:02 PM
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Yes. Canada is always the team to beat in the WJC.

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I think that this year has one of the deepest fields in recent memory.

The Czechs have a solid group of forwards with guys like Jaskin, Faksa, Hertl, Frk etc. Probably one of their best forward groups in recent memory. Add in a solid blueliner like Musil and you have one of the better Czech entries in a few years.


Finland might have their best team ever. They certainly have one of their best teams ever. Maata, Barkov, Teravainan, Armia give them a solid core of top talent.

Then there are the big four with Canada plus the Swedes, Russians and Americans, all four of whom consistently put out good teams.

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12-23-2012, 01:03 PM
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Then there are the big four with Canada plus the Swedes, Russians and Americans, all four of whom consistently put out good teams.
I wouldn't expect too much out of the Swedes this year, as their top 3 guys aren't released from their AHL teams, and they have another five pretty key guys gone to injuries on top of that.

Might sound like a minor obstacle to larger nations like Canada, USA, and Russia, but the talent pool is a bit different.

Sweden can be a threat to any team on any given night, but considering how decimated they are this year, I find it hard to believe that they will be going very deep in this year's tournament.

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Jenner would be given a look but was still probably behind JAM, Kubalik, and Calvert among others looking for a spot on the fourth line wing.
Sweden also would've lost Brodin most likely.
Murray probably had at least a 50% chance of starting with the Jackets as well.

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12-23-2012, 02:24 PM
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They would be favorites, but they still would underperform like they will in a few days.

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Yes I think they would. Lots of great junior talent would still be available.

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