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12-20-2012, 09:58 AM
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Seph's 2013 Winter Rankings

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NHL 2013 RANKING WINTER EDITION
Number in parentheses (#) is what I had the player in my fall ranking.

1. Nathan MacKinnon, C (CAN) Halifax Mooseheads, LHJMQ (2)
2. Seth Jones, D (USA) Portland Winterhawks, WHL (1)
3. Aleksander Barkov, C (FIN) Tappara, SM-Liiga (4)
4. Sean Monahan, C (CAN) Ottawa 67s, OHL (3)
5. Jonathan Drouin, LW (CAN) Halifax Mooseheads, LHJMQ (13)
6. Valeri Nichushkin, W (RUS) Belie Medvedi Chelyabinsk, MHL (8)
7. Curtis Lazar, C (CAN) Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL (5)
8. Hunter Shinkaruk, LW (CAN) Medicine Hat Tigers, WHL (7)
9. Elias Lindholm, C (SWE) Brynas, SEL (12)
10. Ryan Pulock, D (CAN) Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL (10)
11. Rasmus Ristolainen, D (FIN) TPS, SM-Liiga (6)
12. Anthony Mantha, LW (CAN) Val-d'Or Foreurs, LHJMQ (46)
13. Kerby Rychel, LW (CAN) Windsor Spitfires, OHL (9)
14. Adam Erne, RW (USA) Quebec Remparts, LHJMQ (14)
15. Josh Morrissey, D (CAN) Prince Albert Raiders, WHL (24)
16. Zach Fucale, G (CAN) Halifax Mooseheads, LHJMQ (19)
17. Max Domi, C (CAN) London Knights, OHL (15)
18. Darnell Nurse, D (CAN) Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, OHL (33)
19. Eric Comrie, G (CAN) Tri-City Americans, WHL (17)
20. Jason Dickinson, C (CAN) Guelph Storm, OHL (NR)
21. Anthony Duclair, LW (CAN) Quebec Remparts, LHJMQ (11)
22. Robert Hagg, D (SWE) MODO, SEL (28)
23. JT Compher, C (USA) USNTDP, USHL (23)
24. William Carrier, C (CAN) Cape Breton Screaming Eagles, LHJMQ (NR)
25. Nick Sörensen, RW (SWE) Quebec Remparts, LHJMQ (25)
26. Artturi Lehkonen, RW (FIN) KalPa, SM-Liiga (22)
27. Sergei Tolchinsky, RW (RUS) Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, OHL (NR)
28. Madison Bowey, D (CAN) Kelowna Rockets, WHL (18)
29. André Burakovsky, LW (SWE) Malmo, SEL (30)
30. Oliver Bjorkstrand, RW (DEN) Portland Winterhawks, WHL (NR)

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31. Steve Santini, D (USA) USNTDP, USHL (36)
32. Nikita Zadorov, D (RUS) London Knights, OHL (37)
33. Taylor Cammarata, F (USA) Waterloo Blackhawks, USHL (31)
34. Ryan Hartman, RW (USA) Plymouth Whalers, OHL (29)
35. Morgan Klimchuk, LW (CAN) Regina Pats, WHL (43)
36. Jacob de la Rose, C/W (SWE) Leksand, Allsvenskan (32)
37. Ryan Kujawinski, C (CAN) Kingston Frontenacs, OHL (NR)
38. Frederik Gauthier, C (CAN) Rimouski Oceanic, LHJMQ (NR)
39. Shea Theodore, D (CAN) Seattle Thunderbirds, WHL (48)
40. Bo Harvat, C (CAN) London Knights, OHL (30)
41. Stephen Harper, LW (CAN) Erie Otters, OHL (NR)
42. Bogdan Yakimov, C (RUS) Dizel Penza, VHL (44)
43. Tyler Motte, LW (USA) USNTDP, USHL (16)
44. Pavel Buchnevich, C (RUS) Almaz Cherepovets, MHL (NR)
45. Ian McCoshen, D (USA) Waterloo Blackhawks, USHL (47)
46. Gregory Chase, C (CAN) Calgary Hitmen, WHL (NR)
47. Valentin Zykov, RW (RUS) Baie-Comeau Drakkar, LHJMQ (NR)
48. Hudson Fasching, RW (USA) USNTDP, USHL (41)
49. Spencer Martin, G (CAN) Mississauga Steelheads, OHL (NR)
50. Juuso Ikonen, C/W (FIN) Blues, SM-Liiga (NR)
51. Eric Roy, D (CAN) Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL (26)
52. Gustav Possler, W (SWE) MODO, SEL (25)
53. Linus Arnesson, D (SWE) Djurgården, Allsvenskan (NR)
54. Alex Forsberg, C (CAN) Prince George Cougars, WHL (49)
55. Jordan Subban, D (CAN) Belleville Bulls, OHL (38)
56. Will Butcher, D (USA) USNTDP, USHL (35)
57. Matthew Needham, C (CAN) Kamloops Blazers, WHL (NR)
58. Jérémy Grégoire, C (CAN) Chicoutimi Sagueneens, LHJMQ (NR)
59. Connor Rankin, W (CAN) Tri-City Americans, WHL (22
60. Jan Kostalek, D (CZE) Rimouski Oceanic, LHJMQ (NR)


ON THE RISE (in no order)
Viktor Crus-Rydberg, C
Eliot Antonietti, D
Tobias Liljendahl, LW
Nick Baptiste, RW
Ville Husso, G
Victor Öhman, LW
Alex Wennberg, C/W
Brian Williams, C
Louis-Philip Guindon, G
Samuel Morin, D
Kevin Ekman-Larsson, D
Dillon Heatherington, D
Jean-Sebastien Dea, C
Atte Makinen, D
Macoy Erkamps, D
Keaton Thompson, D
Nicolas Petan, C
Tommy Vannelli, D
Justin Bailey, C
Rinat Valiyev, D
Alex Fotinos, G


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12-20-2012, 10:38 AM
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"On the rise"- does Connor Brown refer to the one drafted by the Leafs last year? Or the one playing for the Ottawa 67s, who seems unspectacular by looking at his stat sheet(4 points in 36 games).

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^good list! Mantha, Lazar and Nichushkin are too high and Ristolainen, Burakovsky, Nurse and Pulock are too low, but not a bad list at all.

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"On the rise"- does Connor Brown refer to the one drafted by the Leafs last year? Or the one playing for the Ottawa 67s, who seems unspectacular by looking at his stat sheet(4 points in 36 games).
Oh damn you are right.

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I'm sorry but Zadorov at 32 is simply not right.

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Thanks for sharing. Would love to hear your reasoning behind Zadorov at 32. Even if you aren't as high on him as, say, Craig Button is...that's still incredibly low. I also think Bo Horvat deserves better than 40.

As far as who's too high on your list, I wouldn't have Sorensen anywhere near my top 30, personally.

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No love for Mirco Mueller from Everett (WHL)?
Has NHL size (6ft 4, 210 lbs) and seems like a safe pick for the 2nd or 3rd round.

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12-20-2012, 11:40 AM
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Good list. Personally I have Wennberg in the TOP-60. I think his excellent puck execution skills, combined with versatility (can play wing or center), could make him a first-rounder.

Also good to see Husso being on the rise. Last time when I saw him this season, he was really good. Made confident saves and showed good lateral movement, as well as some real high-end saves.

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What a great draft.

Crazy talent even outside of the top 60.

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Lazar two spots above Lindholm? Now, I haven't watched Lindholm play personally, but everything I've read about the kid indicates that he has legitimate star potential, AND he plays a solid 2 way game. Lazar I've seen plenty of, and to me he looks like a good 2nd/3rd liner in the making. Really solid intangibles, plays hard everywhere on the ice and makes good decisions, but rarely dominates offensively, I just don't think he has star potential.

Likewise, I don't really see Nichushkin or Shinkaruk going above Lindholm either. Shinkaruk may have the offensive talent, but he's a bit one dimensional. I was blown away by Nichushkin's talent watching him both live and on TV, but the Russian factor is huge for a lot of teams. Swedes always seem to come over and stay over, but if a Russian prospect hasn't played in the CHL, then NHL teams seem very reluctant to use a high pick on them. In the past eight drafts (2005 - 2012), only one Russian player (Filatov) has been taken in the top 15 without first playing in the CHL. When other potentially elite talent is on the board, the Russian factor is almost always enough to scare teams away.

Again, I haven't seen Lindholm, but based on scouting reports of people I trust, stats and highlights, I have to think he's in that legitimate top tier of players for this draft. Lazar and Shinkaruk are a tier down IMO, and Nichushkin has top tier talent, but the Russian factor should cause him to drop. I like the list overall, but Lindholm seems low.


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lindholm is too low.

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and Tolchinsky is a hobbit, why would he get drafted in first 3 rounds?

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Lazar two spots above Lindholm? Now, I haven't watched Lindholm play personally, but everything I've read about the kid indicates that he has legitimate star potential, AND he plays a solid 2 way game. Lazar I've seen plenty of, and to me he looks like a good 2nd/3rd liner in the making. Really solid intangibles, plays hard everywhere on the ice and makes good decisions, but rarely dominates offensively, I just don't think he has star potential.

Likewise, I don't really see Nichushkin or Shinkaruk going above Lindholm either. Shinkaruk may have the offensive talent, but he's a bit one dimensional. I was blown away by Nichushkin's talent watching him both live and on TV, but the Russian factor is huge for a lot of teams. Swedes always seem to come over and stay over, but if a Russian prospect hasn't played in the CHL, then NHL teams seem very reluctant to use a high pick on them. In the past eight drafts (2005 - 2012), only one Russian player (Filatov) has been taken in the top 15 without first playing in the CHL. When other potentially elite talent is on the board, the Russian factor is almost always enough to scare teams away.

Again, I haven't seen Lindholm, but based on scouting reports of people I trust, stats and highlights, I have to think he's in that legitimate top tier of players for this draft. Lazar and Shinkaruk are a tier down IMO, and Nichushkin has top tier talent, but the Russian factor should cause him to drop. I like the list overall, but Lindholm seems low.
Ranking =/= mock draft. If this list is purely in terms of talent and potential to play in the NHL (on skill alone, not on contract/geography), then there's nothing wrong at all with Nichushkin at #6. Doesn't mean he'll go anywhere close to that in the draft.

And I agree that there's no reason, from what I've seen, to rank Lindholm below Lazar. Lindholm is top 5 for me, Lazar has been pretty underwhelming so far.

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Lazar and Forsberg are a bit too high.

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Matt Needham is not a top 60 player in this draft class for me.

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and Tolchinsky is a hobbit, why would he get drafted in first 3 rounds?
His ridiculous skill set, you silly goose!

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Lindholm noticeably low and fucale too high for my liking. Pretty decent list overall though. Nice work, oh and zadorov is pretty low

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Nic Petan should be way higher

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Thanks for sharing. Would love to hear your reasoning behind Zadorov at 32. Even if you aren't as high on him as, say, Craig Button is...that's still incredibly low. I also think Bo Horvat deserves better than 40.

As far as who's too high on your list, I wouldn't have Sorensen anywhere near my top 30, personally.
Zadorov is good and could be rising in my books, but the games I've seen he hasn't been that impressive (just technically sound). Besides that (I hate this answer, but) I prefer 31 other guys. Technically Horvat didn't fall in my rankings, but other players have played better than him. Sorensen is based on viewings last year and this year, which I personally like him more than a lot of people do; I think his creativity makes in a 1st rounder.

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No love for Mirco Mueller from Everett (WHL)?
Has NHL size (6ft 4, 210 lbs) and seems like a safe pick for the 2nd or 3rd round.
Mueller is a solid 3rd rounder, but he's rising in my book.

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What a great draft.

Crazy talent even outside of the top 60.
I must admit that the 2nd round list was hella hard to do. So many good players for such little placements.

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Nic Petan should be way higher
Petan is a 3rd rounder in my book solely because of his frame, would've been a borderline 1st/2nd player if he was 1-2 feet higher.. Picture Bourke from 2012 draft and both have similar skillset. I know you're going to ask this, but Tolchinsky is much, much better.


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And I agree that there's no reason, from what I've seen, to rank Lindholm below Lazar. Lindholm is top 5 for me, Lazar has been pretty underwhelming so far.
I do admit I've seen Lindholm about 90% less than what I've seen Lazar. But Ponder I think you're wrong saying that Lazar is a mid tier forward. Yes he has struggled, yes he doesn't have the most offensive talent, but I also think he is pretty raw compared to Landeskog two years before. Also I don't know how well Lindholm's game will translate to the NHL, while Lazar is somewhat physical, hard to push off the puck, and has the "intangibles to win games". Lindholm probably has more offensive talent, I admit that, but Lazar is being built for the NHL.

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I do admit I've seen Lindholm about 90% less than what I've seen Lazar. But Ponder I think you're wrong saying that Lazar is a mid tier forward. Yes he has struggled, yes he doesn't have the most offensive talent, but I also think he is pretty raw compared to Landeskog two years before. Also I don't know how well Lindholm's game will translate to the NHL, while Lazar is somewhat physical, hard to push off the puck, and has the "intangibles to win games". Lindholm probably has more offensive talent, I admit that, but Lazar is being built for the NHL.
One thing people who don't watch the Oil kings a lot (I've probably seen about a 6 on tv this year coupled with their playoff run last year) is that Lazar can play it anyway you want.

One thing that gets overlooked is his PP prowess...he dominates the crease, often times he'll be integral to a goal, whether it be a perfect screen, distracting a defensman, or providing the '3rd assist'....those things don't show up in box scores.

Can score off the rush, take the puck to the net, and his shot (wrister, snap, and slap) are all NHL level.

It's hard to say where I'd take him, but I think he's a prospect/player that teams love to have.

He's a winner that loves hockey.

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One thing people who don't watch the Oil kings a lot (I've probably seen about a 6 on tv this year coupled with their playoff run last year) is that Lazar can play it anyway you want.

One thing that gets overlooked is his PP prowess...he dominates the crease, often times he'll be integral to a goal, whether it be a perfect screen, distracting a defensman, or providing the '3rd assist'....those things don't show up in box scores.

Can score off the rush, take the puck to the net, and his shot (wrister, snap, and slap) are all NHL level.

It's hard to say where I'd take him, but I think he's a prospect/player that teams love to have.

He's a winner that loves hockey.
Definitely and I would also like to add is he is a coach type of player. You tell him to win a big draw...he wins it. You tell him to score a big goal...he does it. Whatever the coach wants from him, you get it.

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Petan is a 3rd rounder in my book solely because of his frame, would've been a borderline 1st/2nd player if he was 1-2 feet higher.. Picture Bourke from 2012 draft and both have similar skillset. I know you're going to ask this, but Tolchinsky is much, much better.
I dont know, Petan is scoring like crazy and his 2-way game has improved a lot since last year. He's out there in every situation.

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I dont know, Petan is scoring like crazy and his 2-way game has improved a lot since last year. He's out there in every situation.
But he is little. That's the rub. How well does/would his game translate to the nhl?

What would his numbers look like if he was playing for Regina instead of Portland?

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His ridiculous skill set, you silly goose!

yes but he is still a hobbit. he is not build like gerbe.

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