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When the NHL cancels the season, Fehr will Fight to Repeal the Cap

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12-21-2012, 05:19 PM
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If that is the case, then they are fools. So is Fehr if he thinks a cancelled season will still see him have "tremendous unity". The union is already cracking. Just wait until no cheques will be coming.....
Did I miss something recently which indicates that the union is cracking? If this is "cracking", then I'd hate to see unity.

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12-21-2012, 05:20 PM
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Fehr was hired because the players believe he is an expert at what he does and they believe he will get them the best deal they can get. I believe they will see this through.
If you want an expert, you hire Andy Sutton.

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Does a DoI mean that the players could strike a deal on their own without Fehr's involvement?

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I tend to agree. Short careers and millions lost....not a position of strength. If the season gets cancelled, it will be back to 43%. Book it.
And there'd still be 15 teams losing a bucketfull of money.

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12-21-2012, 05:21 PM
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To what end?

Do you believe the owners will at any point agree to any plan that see's them lose more money? The players have a LOT more to lose here than the owners do. These are billionaires with other, larger, ventures who are either using the NHL as a tax shelter or an expensive diversion. The players rely on the NHL for their working wage.

Ask yourself this, if the NHL ceased to exist tomorrow, who would be worse off, the players or the owners? Of the two groups, which group is more willing to turn off the lights rather than concede to the other?

Guys like Crosby and Suter will be fine, but the majority of the NHL is full of guys like Dominic Moore. Guys making a few million at most (many league minimum) who need that money to last them the rest of their lives. Guys who know they might not even be in the NHL in a few years if their legs give out or they hurt a knee. Those guys cannot afford to miss a season, let alone two.
Agreed. That is why getting locked out and missing a season every cba needs to stop. If they capitulate they will only find themselves right back here at the end of this cba. Remember there are owners that are more than willing to pay them much more than the cap would ever allow them to make.

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12-21-2012, 05:23 PM
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Did I miss something recently which indicates that the union is cracking? If this is "cracking", then I'd hate to see unity.
Why are they afraid to put the latest offer to a vote? Because the majority will accept it. Do you honestly think guys like Belanger, Scott Thornton or Dwight King have the same view on this as the top stars of the league? Come on. These guys want to play. They are just afraid of being bullied like Hamrlik was.

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12-21-2012, 05:25 PM
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Why are they afraid to put the latest offer to a vote? Because the majority will accept it. Do you honestly think guys like Belanger, Scott Thornton or Dwight King have the same view on this as the top stars of the league? Come on. These guys want to play. They are just afraid of being bullied like Hamrlik was.
And you know this how?

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And there'd still be 15 teams losing a bucketfull of money.
Not at 43%.

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The average career length for a player is 5.62 years. Why would the majority of them give up 2 years of salary to get rid of a system (the salary cap) that saw them earn more money than ever before?
It wasn't the cap that made that possible.

It was linkage.

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12-21-2012, 05:26 PM
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And you know this how?
The same way you know they are tremendous brothers in arms.

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Fehr was hired because the players believe he is an expert at what he does and they believe he will get them the best deal they can get. I believe they will see this through.
I agree. I think they will follow Fehr right into the abyss. Then over time, they'll look back and realize how much money they threw away by not settling quickly and be pissed.

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It wasn't the cap that made that possible.

It was linkage.
And a rising cap floor that rose faster than the ceiling.

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Does a DoI mean that the players could strike a deal on their own without Fehr's involvement?
No. If it is accepted and the union disbands, it means they can't do anything together. They have to do all of their contracting as individuals.

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I agree. I think they will follow Fehr right into the abyss. Then over time, they'll look back and realize how much money they threw away by not settling quickly and be pissed.
Just like last time with Goodenow.

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No. If it is accepted and the union disbands, it means they can't do anything together. They have to do all of their contracting as individuals.
Good luck with that. No more multi year deals and guarantees.

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No. If it is accepted and the union disbands, it means they can't do anything together. They have to do all of their contracting as individuals.
Be pretty funny if a bunch of players go sign contracts with NHL teams outside of the union heh. (yes, i'm joking)

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No. If it is accepted and the union disbands, it means they can't do anything together. They have to do all of their contracting as individuals.
Thanks, I was under the impression a DoI would mean that they would still be a union, just without a "leader" and that the Decert was actually dissolving the union

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12-21-2012, 05:36 PM
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Thanks, I was under the impression a DoI would mean that they would still be a union, just without a "leader" and that the Decert was actually dissolving the union
No, DoI is the union saying "We do not represent you anymore" the Decert is the players saying "We do not want you representing us anymore".

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12-21-2012, 05:38 PM
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Good luck with that. No more multi year deals and guarantees.
That's not true. They will negotiate those terms and owners who want to win will give them to them. I would love it if the union disbanded.

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Thanks, I was under the impression a DoI would mean that they would still be a union, just without a "leader" and that the Decert was actually dissolving the union
Well, if it disbands, a number of players will immediately file anti trust suits against the league. I'm sure the papers are already drawn up and ready to file the day after.

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12-21-2012, 05:44 PM
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Well, if it disbands, a number of players will immediately file anti trust suits against the league. I'm sure the papers are already drawn up and ready to file the day after.
I hope so! This saga is much more compelling that Bettman's Parity League. I hope it goes on for years! When its over I won't have anything to watch.

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12-21-2012, 05:52 PM
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I hope so! This saga is much more compelling that Bettman's Parity League. I hope it goes on for years! When its over I won't have anything to watch.
schminksbro I just like to say its nice having another pro player poster on here. Captain Bob and I are swamped.

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schminksbro I just like to say its nice having another pro player poster on here. Captain Bob and I are swamped.
LOL, I agree but I don't think we have put a dent in all the anti union dogma around here We must be the only non billionaire members.

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Uh, no. With the lack of a CBA, whether a contract is guaranteed depends on what is agreed between a team and the player. And even if players opt for a non-guaranteed contract, they could still get a nest egg for themselves by asking for bonus money up front.
Sure, asking for some up front cash and maybe no trade clause too. After this fiasco,unless you are elite you are not getting anything.

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Sure, asking for some up front cash and maybe no trade clause too. After this fiasco,unless you are elite you are not getting anything.
Not true. Owners that want to win will drive up the bid on all players.

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