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12-22-2012, 08:38 AM
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Lipsbergs is quite high in this mock even for my wildest predction i`d say he could go from 4th to 6th round.but hes been great latetly(top scoring rookie of whl now off to wjcs) so who knows.
But jevpalovs looks about right.

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Have you seen Dylan Labbe of Shawinigan yet? I have trouble picturing guys like Hunter, Boudreau, Torok etc etc getting picked and not Labbe, who in my mind is right up there with Kostalek, Morin and Murphy as the best eligible defensemen out of the Q.

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Thanks for the effort. I hope Kirby Rychel is there if the Flyers pick in the 20's.Tough LW fits the Flyers mold. I do think D. Nurse goes in the 1st rd.

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Thanks for the effort. I hope Kirby Rychel is there if the Flyers pick in the 20's.Tough LW fits the Flyers mold. I do think D. Nurse goes in the 1st rd.
Nurse should be in the bottom part of top 10 if not around 15 area IMO.

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Santini in the 4th and de la Rose in the 5th stood out, Alex Forsberg is too high IMO.
This is what stood out to me....LI's own Santini would be a steal if he was picked after the
2nd round...

Also I feel Nurse should be a bit higher

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de la rose in the 5th?

what a joke

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I'm far from a draftnik, and quite frankly I don't know most of these kids, but if there's 210 kids better than Connor Hurley (Edina HS), then this is the best draft class in history. He's the best MN High Schooler since Bjugstad in terms of NHL potential. He's absolutely electric when you watch him play live...full speed in 3 strides, doesn't slow down with the puck on his stick. He's a blast to watch live.

Another local plug. Tommy Vannelli for Minnetonka. He's a late bloomer (which NHL scouts love for High School picks), but he's a big RH defenseman that skates really well. He's still rough around the edges, but he's a markedly better player than he was even last season, and scouts love kids that are trending upward.

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I dont see Markus Søberg on your list. Why is that?

And a player that isnt even talked about on this board is Matthias Nørstebø (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=118177). Playing in the SEL, and barely noticed on this board. He should sky-rocket at the end of the year.
I should have Søberg on there in the next version. I'll need a bit more info on him, I should have put him in the list at the bottom of the rankings. He should be somewhere in the mid-rounds.

Someone talked about Nørstebø not too long ago, I didn't have time to include him yet. I'll try having him in next time around.


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drives me nuts when people make mock drafts that havent seen 95% of the players even play..Its a waste of the persons time writing out the list and a waste of time reading it... I just stick with the central scouting rankings and ISS etc etc
Just thought I'd repost this. To give you an idea on the results I'm getting. Say you were at the draft and had the 20th overall pick of the 1st round and the equivalent pick of that team for subsequent round, how does the model compare to actual NHL teams and the CSS? Results are that about 60% of the time the player suggested by the model (for a player at the same position, if the team drafted a forward, then who's the top forward still available at the top of the list, goalies for goalies and whatnot) played more games in the NHL than the player drafted by the NHL team.

As a comparison,


2000

20 - Brad Boyes, C, Erie Otters, OHL
NHL: Alexander Frolov

54 - Thatcher Bell, C, Rimouski Océanic, LHJMQ
NHL: Andreas Lilja

86 - Miguel Delisle, C, Ottawa 67's, OHL
NHL: Yanick Lehoux

117 - Michel Ouellet, RW, Rimouski Océanic, LHJMQ
NHL: Olli Malmivaara

156 - Henrik Lundqvist, G, Västra Frölunda HC, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Greg Zanon

187 - Darryl Bootland, RW, Toronto St. Michael's Majors, OHL
NHL: Par Backer

218 - X
NHL: Craig Olynick

250 - X
NHL: Flavien Conne

282 - X
NHL: Carl Grahn


2001

20 - Derek Roy, C, Kitchener Rangers, OHL
NHL: Macel Goc

53 - Kyle Wellwood, C, Belleville Bulls, OHL
NHL: Kiel McLeod

85 - Ray Emery, G, Sault Ste. Marie Gryhounds, OHL
NHL: Aaron Johnson

119 - Drew MacIntyre, G, Sherbrooke Castors, LHJMQ
NHL: Alexei Zotkin

155 - Dennis Wideman, D, London Knights, OHL
NHL: Michal Vondrka

186 - Zbynek Michálek, D, Shawinigan Cataractes, LHJMQ
NHL: Petr Puncochar

216 - Maxime Fortunus, D, Baie-Comeau Drakkar, LHJMQ
NHL: Oleg Minakov

249 - X
NHL: Matthew Maglione

279 - X
NHL: Ryan Jorde


2002

20 - Trevor Daley, D, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, OHL
NHL: Daniel Paille

53 - James Wisniewski, D, Plymouth Whalers, OHL
NHL: Barry Tallackson

85 - Ian White, D, Swift Current Broncos, WHL
NHL: Ahren Nittel

117 - André Benoit, D, Kitchener Rangers, OHL
NHL: Cam Janssen

154 - Henrik Karlsson, G, Hammarby, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Krisjanis Redlihs

187 - Chris Campoli, D, Erie Otters, OHL
NHL: Eric Johansson

217 - Brad Topping, G, Brampton Battalion, OHL
NHL: Tim Conboy

250 - Josh Gorges, D, Kelowna Rockets, WHL
NHL: Dan Glover

281 - Shane O'Brien, D, Kingston Frontenacs, OHL
NHL: Bill Kinkel


2003

20 - Patrick O'Sullivan, C, Mississauga IceDogs, OHL
NHL: Brent Burns
CSS: Dan Fritsche

56 - Louis-Philippe Martin, RW, Baie-Comeau Drakkar, LHJMQ
NHL: Patrick O'Sullivan
CSS: Patrick O'Sullivan

91 - Nigel Dawes, LW, Kootaney Ice, WHL
NHL: Martin Sagat
CSS: Alexandre Bolduc

125 - Kyle Quincey, D, London Knights, OHL
NHL: Konstantin Volkov
CSS: Ryan Oulahen

157 - Bruno Gervais, D, Acadie-Bathurst Titan, LHJMQ
NHL: Marcin Kolusz
CSS: Louis-Philippe Martin

187 - Dustin Byfuglien, D, Prince George Cougars, WHL
NHL: Miroslav Kopriva
CSS: Jeremy Williams

219 - Ryan Callahan, RW, Guelph Storm, OHL
NHL: Adam Courchaine
CSS: Jean-Michel Bolduc

251 - Danny Syvret, D, London Knights, OHL
NHL: Mathieu Melanson
CSS: Evan Shaw

281 - Troy Brouwer, RW, Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL
NHL: Jean-Michel Bolduc
CSS: John Vigilante


2004

20 - Wojtek Wolski, C, Brampton Battalion, OHL
NHL: Travis Zajac
CSS: Wojtek Wolski

50 - Brandon Dubinsky, C, Portland Winter Hawks, WHL
NHL: Enver Lisin
CSS: Kyle Wharton

86 - Mike Card, D, Kelowna Rockets, WHL
NHL: John Lammers
CSS: Wes O'Neill

119 - Petr Pohl, RW, Gatineau Olympiques, LHJMQ
NHL: Kevin Porter
CSS: Peter Tsimikalis

153 - Jean-Claude Sawyer, D, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles, LHJMQ
NHL: Steven Zalewski
CSS: Craig Voakes

183 - Karri Rämö, G, Pelicans, Jr. A SM-liiga, Finland
NHL: Trevor Ludwig
CSS: Brian Ihnacak

218 - Ryan Pottruff, D, London Knights, OHL
NHL: Sergei Kukushkin
CSS: Blair Yaworski

248 - David Desharnais, C, Chicoutimi Saguenéens, LHJMQ
NHL: Lukas Vomela
CSS: Jan Steber

280 - Cédrick Desjardins, G, Rimouski Océanic, LHJMQ
NHL: Matt McKnight
CSS: Steve Birnstill


2005

20 - Guillaume Latendresse, RW, Drummondville Voltigeurs, LHJMQ
NHL: Kenndal McArdle
CSS: Kenndal McArdle

41 - Dan Ryder, C, Peterborough Petes, OHL
NHL: Ondrej Pavelec
CSS: Mike Blunden

81 - Ryan Wilson, D, Toronto St. Michael's Majors, OHL
NHL: Danny Syvret
CSS: Dan Collins

102 - Mathieu Aubin, C, Lewiston MAINEiacs, LHJMQ
NHL: Blair Jones
CSS: Vyacheslav Trukhno

152 - Erik Condra, F, Lincoln Stars, USHL
NHL: Josh Beaulieu
CSS: Nick Drazenovic

174 - Alec Martinez, D, Cedar Rapids RoughRiders, USHL
NHL: John Flatters
CSS: Paul Kurceba

215 - Sébastien Bisaillon, D, Val d'Or Foreurs, LHJMQ
NHL: Matt Clackson
CSS: Christian Hanson


2006

20 - Claude Giroux, RW, Gatineau Olympiques, LHJMQ
NHL: David Fischer
CSS: Cory Emmerton

49 - Brad Marchand, RW, Moncton Wildcats, LHJMQ
NHL: Ben Maxwell
CSS: Nigel Williams

79 - James Reimer, G, Red Deer Rebels, WHL
NHL: Jonathan Matsumoto
CSS: Ben Shutron

109 - Kristofer Berglund, D, IF Björklöven, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Jakub Kovar
CSS: Bobby Hughes

139 - Oscar Johansson, LW, Timrå IK, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Pavel Valentenko
CSS: Graham Potuer

169 - Carl Hagelin, LW, Södertälje SK, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Chris Auger
CSS: Benjamin Breault

199 - Dustin Jeffrey, C, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, OHL
NHL: Cameron Cepek
CSS: Victor Bartley


2007

20 - Angelo Esposito, C, Québec Remparts, LHJMQ
NHL: Angelo Esposito
CSS: Angelo Esposito

51 - Spencer Machacek, RW, Vancouver Giants, WHL
NHL: Keven Veilleux
CSS: Oscar Moller

81 - Jamie Benn, C, Victoria Grizzlies, BCHL
NHL: Ryan Thang
CSS: Ben Ryan

111 - Gustav Nyquist, LW, IF Malmö Redhawks, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Luca Caputi
CSS: David Skokan

141 - Christopher DiDomenico, C, Saint John Sea Dogs, LHJMQ
NHL: Jake Muzzin
CSS: Matt Fillier

171 - Roman Bashkirov, LW, Québec Remparts, LHJMQ
NHL: Dustin Jeffrey
CSS: Zack Torquato

201 - Nicola Riopel, G, Moncton Wildcats, LHJMQ
NHL: Justin Braun
CSS: Paul Postma


2008

20 - Jordan Eberle, C, Regina Pats, WHL
NHL: Michael Del Zotto
CSS: Colby Robak

51 - Marc-André Bourdon, D, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies, LHJMQ
NHL: Derek Stepan
CSS: Jamie Arniel

81 - Jacob DeSerres, G, Seattle Thunderbirds, WHL
NHL: Corey Fienhage
CSS: Matt Calvert

111 - Chris Doyle, C, Prince Edward Island Rocket, LHJMQ
NHL: Dale Weise
CSS: Kruise Reddick

141 - Mark Barberio, D, Moncton Wildcats, LHJMQ
NHL: Chris Doyle
CSS: Joel Broda

171 - Tyler Johnson, C, Spokane Chiefs, WHL
NHL: Mitch Gaulton
CSS: Nathan Condon

201 - Anders Nilsson, G, Luleå, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Jani Lajunen
CSS: Brodie Reid


2009

20 - Tyson Barrie, D, Kelowna Rockets, WHL
NHL: Jacob Josefson
CSS: Jordan Schroeder

51 - Casey Cizikas, C, Mississauga St. Michael's Majors, OHL
NHL: Brian Dumoulin
CSS: Ryan Button

81 - Brett Flemming, D, Mississauga St. Michael's Majors, OHL
NHL: Adam Morrison
CSS: Cody Eakin

111 - Collin Bowman, D, Kelowna Rockets, WHL
NHL: Henrik Bjorklund
CSS: Seth Helgeson

140 - Patrick Cehlin, RW, Djurgårdens IF, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Scott Stajcer
CSS: Gabriel Lemieux

170 - Adam Almquist, D, HV71, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Daniel Maggio
CSS: Danny Mattson

200 - Benjamin Casavant, LW, Prince Edward Island Rocket, LHJMQ
NHL: Mikhail Pashnin
CSS: Brennan Yadlowski


2010

20 - Tyler Toffoli, RW, Ottawa 67's, OHL
NHL: Beau Bennett
CSS: Mark Pysyk

50 - Jordan Weal, C, Regina Pats, WHL
NHL: Connor Brickley
CSS: Stanislav Galiev

80 - Scott Wedgewood, G, Plymouth Whalers, OHL
NHL: Bryan Rust
CSS: Ivan Telegin

110 - Brendan Gallagher, RW, Vancouver Giants, WHL
NHL: Tom Kuhnhackl
CSS: Patrick McNally

140 - Mark Stone, RW, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL
NHL: Kenneth Agostino
CSS: Brandon Davidson

170 - Michael Sgarbossa, C, Saginaw Spirit, OHL
NHL: Reid McNeill
CSS: Michael Pereira

200 - Victor Öhman, LW, IF Malmö Redhawks, SuperElit, Sweden
NHL: Chris Crane
CSS: Jacob Fallon


2011

20 - John Gibson, G, USA NTDP
NHL: Connor Murphy
CSS: Vladislav Namestnikov

51 - Michael St. Croix, C, Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL
NHL: Alexander Ruuttu
CSS: Shane Prince

80 - Jean-Gabriel Pageau, C, Gatineau Olympiques, LHJMQ
NHL: Andy Andreoff
CSS: Seth Ambroz

110 - Dylan DeMelo, D, Mississauga St. Michael's Majors, OHL
NHL: Michael Mersch
CSS: Myles Bell

140 - Victor Berglind, D, Brynäs IF, Elitserien, Sweden
NHL: Joel Lowry
CSS: Scott Oke

170 - Garrett Haar, D, Fargo Force, USHL
NHL: Chase Balisy
CSS: Maximilien Le Sieur

200 - Anton Zlobin, RW, Shawinigan Cataractes, LHJMQ
NHL: Michael Schumacher
CSS: Luke Lockhart


2012

20 - Charles Hudon, LW, Chicoutimi Saguenéens, LHJMQ
NHL: Scott Laughton
CSS: Olli Maatta

50 - Damon Severson, D, Kelowna Rockets, WHL
NHL: Colton Sissons
CSS: Colton Sissons

81 - Nikolai Prokhorkin, LW, Krasnaya Armiya, MHL, Russia
NHL: Oskar Sundqvist
CSS: Daniil Zharkov

111 - Nick Ebert, D, Windsor Spitfires, OHL
NHL: Fredric Larsson
CSS: Trevor Carrick

141 - Justin Haché, D, Shawinigan Cataractes, LHJMQ
NHL: Reece Willcox
CSS: Tomas Hyka

171 - Eric Locke, C, Saginaw Spirit, OHL
NHL: Tomas Hyka
CSS: Dane Fox

201 - Ivan Nalimov, G, SKA-1946 St. Petersburg, MHL, Russia
NHL: Valeri Vasiliev
CSS: Max Iafrate


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Have you seen Dylan Labbe of Shawinigan yet? I have trouble picturing guys like Hunter, Boudreau, Torok etc etc getting picked and not Labbe, who in my mind is right up there with Kostalek, Morin and Murphy as the best eligible defensemen out of the Q.
Missed him from the list of available players. I go through those lists on my own, so from time to time I'll miss a player. You're right I have him right in with Kostalek in the mid-3rd.

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I'm far from a draftnik, and quite frankly I don't know most of these kids, but if there's 210 kids better than Connor Hurley (Edina HS), then this is the best draft class in history. He's the best MN High Schooler since Bjugstad in terms of NHL potential. He's absolutely electric when you watch him play live...full speed in 3 strides, doesn't slow down with the puck on his stick. He's a blast to watch live.

Another local plug. Tommy Vannelli for Minnetonka. He's a late bloomer (which NHL scouts love for High School picks), but he's a big RH defenseman that skates really well. He's still rough around the edges, but he's a markedly better player than he was even last season, and scouts love kids that are trending upward.
I have him at the bottom in the to be added category. I simply need more info on USHS kids. Don't have the data to rank them yet.

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I have him at the bottom in the to be added category. I simply need more info on USHS kids. Don't have the data to rank them yet.
No worries. I'm not a hater, and I bet you put a ton of work into this, so solid work. Everyone is going to have their opinions. I don't go deep on prospects, but between playing, coaching, and now simply watching games when I can, I know enough to see a kid that's head and shoulders above their peers on most nights. Bjugstad had it, Leddy had it, Hudson Fasching was a specimen while at Apple Valley, despite still being a kid. Back in '05 I coached against Keith Yandle while he was at Cushing Academy...he just had it.

I'm not sold on the Vanelli kid from Minnetonka, but he's made a massive jump forward this year, and scouts can't resist big Righthanded Dmen that skate well. But the Hurley kid is dynamic. Watch this video. It's against two bad teams, and he needs to put some meat on his bones (he gets knocked off the puck too much still), but ask yourself this...is there anyone even close to his talent level on either team?


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No worries. I'm not a hater, and I bet you put a ton of work into this, so solid work. Everyone is going to have their opinions. I don't go deep on prospects, but between playing, coaching, and now simply watching games when I can, I know enough to see a kid that's head and shoulders above their peers on most nights. Bjugstad had it, Leddy had it, Hudson Fasching was a specimen while at Apple Valley, despite still being a kid. Back in '05 I coached against Keith Yandle while he was at Cushing Academy...he just had it.

I'm not sold on the Vanelli kid from Minnetonka, but he's made a massive jump forward this year, and scouts can't resist big Righthanded Dmen that skate well. But the Hurley kid is dynamic. Watch this video. It's against two bad teams, and he needs to put some meat on his bones (he gets knocked off the puck too much still), but ask yourself this...is there anyone even close to his talent level on either team?

I haven't worked a whole lot yet on USHS but from what I can gather, Fasching really stands out to me from his time at Apple Valley. Even though Apple Valley is a AA school, do you find there's much of a difference between the A and AA teams in Minnesota?

Yandle is another kid who really stood out to me as well on paper. Same for Hurley. But then again, I'll have to put more time into this.

Thanks for the video!

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just to let people know that I updated the first post. At the bottom of the opening message you'll find a breakdown by league. Overall rank followed by the players name and whatnot. I also moved Lekhonen a few spots. I moved him up to 23 since I had some info entered incorrectly.

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Mathletic- Do you have a website or blog on which you go into more detail on the formulation of your rankings?

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Mathletic- Do you have a website or blog on which you go into more detail on the formulation of your rankings?
No not yet, I may start one in the upcoming year or 2 but nothing to speak of for now. I post it all here. I'm still working on my model so from time to time there's still some changes. So, I'd rather keep working on it a bit and then I may start a blog on sports stats. I work on the NBA and NFL drafts as well so I'm thinking on starting something about stats analysis of draft propsects in those 3 leagues.

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interesting stuff; I'd like to know more about a couple of things-

1. What stats/inputs do use to formulate your rankings?
2. Are all of those factors on traditional hockey data websites(db,elite,euro, particular league homepages or do u have access to non-public stats for juniors through out the world)
3. Why do you believe those particular factors are important to forecasting the probability of future success at the pro level?
4. I'm assuming you weight certain factors in your formula- how did you formulate your weighting values?
5. What was the first year for NHL that you ranked players pre-draft?

thanks

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Interesting you have Cody Corbett in the 2nd round after going undrafted last year. I have seen him live about 8-9 times and everytime I come away thinking this: no offence, average skating, seems out of shape, makes questionable decisions, isnt overly physical. I just cant see him ever making it as a pro.

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interesting stuff; I'd like to know more about a couple of things-

1. What stats/inputs do use to formulate your rankings?
2. Are all of those factors on traditional hockey data websites(db,elite,euro, particular league homepages or do u have access to non-public stats for juniors through out the world)
3. Why do you believe those particular factors are important to forecasting the probability of future success at the pro level?
4. I'm assuming you weight certain factors in your formula- how did you formulate your weighting values?
5. What was the first year for NHL that you ranked players pre-draft?

thanks
I'll try not to BS you too much because as you can expect I don't want to give it all away either

I use basically anything I can find. Without going into fine details, you may have read on models proposed by Alan Ryder and others. My model at the junior level is basically a win shares system. I use various equations to estimate unknowns like time-on-ice.

1. Other input I use that are known to affect player development is age or the birthdate effect as it is known. Players born in January are not on the same playing field as those born in late August, early September. So I take a bunch of stuff in, as long as I can get pretty large samples and evaluate how that effects players success long-term.

2. All the data I use is publicly known, it's how I interpret those data that make the model. Also, I use the play-by-play data, so sometimes that stat itself may not be published but I use public info to build that stat. For instance, separating the +/- stat into the + stat and the - stat.

3. Well it looks to me like players don't change that much. What made them succesful at the junior level, on average, makes them succesful at the pro level. So measuring player performance is very valuable. You'll always find that X guy who put up a billion points in his junior career but when interpreted in the right context, player performance is very valuable in order to project how they will do at the pro level.

Obviously, it's not perfectly deterministic. Some players fail to develop get injured and whatnot. Also, a team may not use a certain player in the best suited context. Classic examples would be Marc-André Bergeron and Rob Schremp. At even-strength both players are clearly not at their best. However, in power play situation both can dominate. We all know for Bergeron, but Schremp for example was great with the Isles when used on the PP. However, as we know, players have to "earn" ice-time on the power-play. Most coaches and teams don't see it as a "skill" or "specialization" for a player. So, IMO stats will help you pinpoint how to best use a player and break his production down.

4. It depends, I use stats distributions ... for example, poisson, weibull and whatnot ... to forcast various measures. Some are best expressed as poisson others as weibull distributions. That's a part I'll pretty much keep for myself

5. Last year was the first I'd say was much closer to a completely objective rankings through stats. Then again, it wasn't totally objective from what I can remember. I wasn't done on putting goalies and players at the same level and things like that but it was getting there.

Feel free to ask any questions you like, I'll try not to bs or be too general about it

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Interesting you have Cody Corbett in the 2nd round after going undrafted last year. I have seen him live about 8-9 times and everytime I come away thinking this: no offence, average skating, seems out of shape, makes questionable decisions, isnt overly physical. I just cant see him ever making it as a pro.
I don't take into account what NHL teams think of him. I'll have some undrafted kids pretty high from time to time.

I agree he may not become a PP wizard but he seems to move the puck just fine. On paper he looks like the type of player who needs to be on a solid team to perform.
In general, he doesn't play other teams' top lines and whatnot but in his role he's a good performer.

Skating and being in or out of shape are things players can improve on. Generally, I find people put too much stock on those variables.

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I haven't worked a whole lot yet on USHS but from what I can gather, Fasching really stands out to me from his time at Apple Valley. Even though Apple Valley is a AA school, do you find there's much of a difference between the A and AA teams in Minnesota?

Yandle is another kid who really stood out to me as well on paper. Same for Hurley. But then again, I'll have to put more time into this.

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AA is far superior outside of maybe a few of the top single A private schools like STA. Caught a few of Hurley's games earlier this week in the Edina classic. His best play was easily against EP when he used his speed and physicality to take the puck from I believe Leddy (could have been Snuggerud too i don't exactly remember) and pulled a great spin around forehand pass to Malmquist in the slot for the tap in breakaway finish. Outside of that play though he was shut down very well by the Eagles, who despite a pretty poor record so far are a very skilled and solid team.

He'll put up some ridiculous numbers this year I'm sure, but I would like to catch some more games against tougher competition before I would rank him either. Great speed, physical play and I would say his passing vision are his best assets, could definitely turn into a great playmaker if things go well.

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No Zach Nastasiuk? Big body RH shot who plays all situations for Owen Sound.

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No Zach Nastasiuk? Big body RH shot who plays all situations for Owen Sound.
he should but for some reason he isn't :s. I have him on my last, must have deleted him by mistake at some point but he should be on there.

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You are also missing a big skilled power forward from Saginaw Nick Moutrey 6'3 210 Lb who is being talk about by scouts as being a second rounder.

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You are also missing a big skilled power forward from Saginaw Nick Moutrey 6'3 210 Lb who is being talk about by scouts as being a second rounder.
I have him at 97

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Mathletic - what do you think of Lipsbergs? he seems quite high on this draft.

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Mathletic - what do you think of Lipsbergs? he seems quite high on this draft.
yeah I don't think I've seen too many people have him ranked. Obviously, there's a difference between where I think he'll get drafted and how good he can become. I think he's looking like a good player at this point not sure he gets picked high though.

Last year was tough to evaluate him. HC Riga not being the best of teams in the MHL but still you could see the talent being there. His even-strength production was very good to begin with. Power-play production being a bit more volatile in general, playing for weak teams rarely helps. This year he's playing with a team with much more talent. Having a guy like Thedore on the blueline on the PP has helped his production. Outside of that, looks to have a good enough overall game. Looks to be more of a goal scorer at this point. I like him, should have good value in the later rounds. That said, never seen him play really outside of a few shifts against Finland

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yeah I don't think I've seen too many people have him ranked. Obviously, there's a difference between where I think he'll get drafted and how good he can become. I think he's looking like a good player at this point not sure he gets picked high though.

Last year was tough to evaluate him. HC Riga not being the best of teams in the MHL but still you could see the talent being there. His even-strength production was very good to begin with. Power-play production being a bit more volatile in general, playing for weak teams rarely helps. This year he's playing with a team with much more talent. Having a guy like Thedore on the blueline on the PP has helped his production. Outside of that, looks to have a good enough overall game. Looks to be more of a goal scorer at this point. I like him, should have good value in the later rounds. That said, never seen him play really outside of a few shifts against Finland
Thanks Mathletic,yeah i think the move to the WHL has really improved his overall game,looked like he was the only guy for us to show up against finland.

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