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01-11-2013, 11:31 AM
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I don't know why anyone would be upset about signing Jochen to a 1 yr deal for a 48 game season.

It must be because our lineup already has soooo many 2 way forwards and PKers with experience and leadership qualities.

must be...
QFT. The team needs a player(s) like Hecht. Honestly, the only risk I see here is to himself with his concussion history but if the doctors think he's fine, good for him and the team.

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QFT. The team needs a player(s) like Hecht.
Yes, but not one that actually IS Hecht. Because:

"My concern is how he's used, not so much Hecht himself. If Lindy uses him as a top player because things don't go as expected like he ALWAYS does, I'm going to blow a gasket. First line hasn't produced a point in two games? HECHT GO CENTER THAT LINE "

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I hate this organization sometimes.
You mean most of the time. I have to say, like a handful of other posters here, your "positive" comments to "negative" comments in the years I've seen your posts, are a ratio of 1:4. If I didn't know any better, reading your posts and seeing your avatars, I would think you were trolling the Sabres forum most of the time.

I mean, there's being critical, having opinions, and judging the decisions made from time to time. But negative comments most of the time? Maybe it's time you follow a less "stressful" team. Whatever the flavor of the season is. It may make you a happier person.

This isn't an attack on you personally. Honestly. It's an observation of mine (and i'm sure others) about a handful of posters. The constant knee jerk negativity is so tired.

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QFT. The team needs a player(s) like Hecht. Honestly, the only risk I see here is to himself with his concussion history but if the doctors think he's fine, good for him and the team.
I wish they didn't sign him. Solely due to the concussion history. It has nothing to do with his role on the team or how effective he can be. That being said, if he can avoid head injuries, let him play 48 games and see how it goes.

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01-11-2013, 11:38 AM
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to all the people who are acting like the sky is falling or this is a terrible or backwards move, i have this to say to you:

i seriously question your understanding of the game of hockey, the value of players, and why it makes perfect sense to bring in a professional like hecht. he is better than our other options. he has been playing (and playing well) in germany. he knows the coach, the system, and the team. he is still a quality NHLer and can contribute in the right role. i highly, highly doubt ruff will ever put him on the 1st line this season (barring injuries), i think ruff knows it is time to give hodgson and ennis the ice time they need to develop. but we have a massive hole on our third line. hecht is more than capable of filling it, and filling it better than (IMO) anyone left on the UFA market or realistically available for trade.

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Jochen makes the Sabres better THIS year.

We can ***** about how Lindy uses him, when Lindy uses him.

Put your crystal ball away

Before Jochen was signed, who were the top 5 PK forwards this season?

Before Jochen was signed, which line did you want on the ice in the final 40 seconds with a 1 goal lead?

Oh my GOD!!! Lindy might stupidly use Jochen in a top 6 role, if our 3 almost completely unproven centers aren't cutting it. HOLY ****!!! CALL THE COPS!!!

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to all the people who are acting like the sky is falling or this is a terrible or backwards move, i have this to say to you:

i seriously question your understanding of the game of hockey, the value of players, and why it makes perfect sense to bring in a professional like hecht. he is better than our other options. he has been playing (and playing well) in germany. he knows the coach, the system, and the team. he is still a quality NHLer and can contribute in the right role. i highly, highly doubt ruff will ever put him on the 1st line this season (barring injuries), i think ruff knows it is time to give hodgson and ennis the ice time they need to develop. but we have a massive hole on our third line. hecht is more than capable of filling it, and filling it better than (IMO) anyone left on the UFA market or realistically available for trade.

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My confusion over this entire argument is when have the Sabres had a de facto 1st line? I personally see F-E-S getting a majority of offensive zone starts, Hodgson's line getting more defensive zone starts than F-E-S. He's going to throw Pominville and Hecht together as a line due to their ability to play together but all the lines except for the 4th will pretty much have equal even strength time.

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It's because he's going to be the #1 C and shoehorned into top 6 ice time.

It's because it's more of the same crap that hasn't worked the past 4 years or whatever.
If that is your worry then you can exhale. Hecht will not be our #1C. #4 or #3 when needed, or a depth (bottom 6) LW and solid PKer.

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Lotta drama created by a half year signing of a defensive veteran.

He should be a third line, PK specialist. This gives us some balance. I agree that the top two centers are going to be CoHo and Ennis. If healthy great signing. If not, low risk failure.

Dont forget, we are without both Gerbe and McCormack for an unknown period of time.

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You mean most of the time. I have to say, like a handful of other posters here, your "positive" comments to "negative" comments in the years I've seen your posts, are a ratio of 1:4. If I didn't know any better, reading your posts and seeing your avatars, I would think you were trolling the Sabres forum most of the time.

I mean, there's being critical, having opinions, and judging the decisions made from time to time. But negative comments most of the time? Maybe it's time you follow a less "stressful" team. Whatever the flavor of the season is. It may make you a happier person.

This isn't an attack on you personally. Honestly. It's an observation of mine (and i'm sure others) about a handful of posters. The constant knee jerk negativity is so tired.
Sorry I'd like to see some forward thinking from them aside from building circle jerk tributes to 40 years ago. The hockey department is the same old same old over and over again.

The hockey part of the franchise desperately needs a shot in the arm and some forward thinking.

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Interesting how things change for some people.

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It's funny that Ruff having a versatile veteran who he can use in almost any situation while having a young forward core taking on new responsibilities... is somehow seen as a bad thing

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It's funny that Ruff having a versatile veteran who he can use in almost any situation while having a young forward core taking on new responsibilities... is somehow seen as a bad thing
Because it's Ruff, and you of all people should know how the story is going to end.

The idea of having Jochen around for what he can do (vet, PK, etc) is great. The reality is going to be so much different.

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Interesting how things change for some people.
you mean before they traded Roy, had a half season lockout, and Hecht had a successful half season in Germany?

I would hope some people changed their mind... did they?

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Sorry I'd like to see some forward thinking from them aside from building circle jerk tributes to 40 years ago. The hockey department is the same old same old over and over again.

The hockey part of the franchise desperately needs a shot in the arm and some forward thinking.
One of the best organizations (top 2 IIRC) at drafting and developing players for the last decade and one of the better win records since the last lockout.

You're beginning to sound a lot like Bucky.

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you mean before they traded Roy, had a half season lockout, and Hecht had a successful half season in Germany?

I would hope some people changed their mind... did they?
None of that makes Jochen all of a sudden reliable, so why would I change my mind?

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Because it's Ruff, and you of all people should know how the story is going to end.

The idea of having Jochen around for what he can do (vet, PK, etc) is great. The reality is going to be so much different.
Idea : He can play a multitude of roles

Reality : He will play a multitude of roles, as dictated by the reality of the season (injuries, poor performances, benchings, etc)

Last year, Adam started as the center between vanek and poms, Adam sucked... Hecht had to replace him because we had no other options (Leino also sucked at center)

We have more options this year (Ennis, Hodgson, Grigorenko). If they are all getting the job done, then Hecht will be the utility player he was signed to be. If one of them gets injured, hits a slump... we will have Hecht available. Unlike last year, where they lack of depth was one of our biggest issues. We had Ellis AND McCormick playing center on separate lines at one time for christ sake.

lets be drama queens when your worst fears come true... not before

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One of the best organizations (top 2 IIRC) at drafting and developing players for the last decade and one of the better win records since the last lockout.

You're beginning to sound a lot like Bucky.
I love the way they draft/develop talent.

I hate the way they don't know when to say goodbye when it's clearly time.

As far as record, the last few years are an indication something needs to give. It's starting to (Coho, Grigs, Armia, Girgs, etc) but then a backwards move like this happens.

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None of that makes Jochen all of a sudden reliable, so why would I change my mind?
Because back in June, you may have been able to cross your fingers that there would be other solutions to the 3rd line center hole, the lack of 2 way forwards, and the lack of competent PKers.

NOW, 9 days away from the start of a shortened season, you should see those holes were never filled, and you should have Jochen's season in Germany.... both as NEW pieces of information that change the scenario you were evaluating 6 months ago.

or you can stubbornly keep to your position, and not consider any new information or changes in scenario

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Because it's Ruff, and you of all people should know how the story is going to end.

The idea of having Jochen around for what he can do (vet, PK, etc) is great. The reality is going to be so much different.
Again complaining about something that hasn't happened yet. Ennis/Hodgson are our top two centers. That isn't likely to change unless there are injuries or they completely fail. If that happens, where Hecht plays is the least of our problems

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I love the way they draft/develop talent.

I hate the way they don't know when to say goodbye when it's clearly time.

As far as record, the last few years are an indication something needs to give. It's starting to (Coho, Grigs, Armia, Girgs, etc) but then a backwards move like this happens.
it's not a backwards move, it's a half season stop gap move.

complete overreaction

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Again complaining about something that hasn't happened yet. Ennis/Hodgson are our top two centers. That isn't likely to change unless there are injuries.
I totally hope to be proven wrong. I really, really hope so. But you can't blame me for being skeptical.

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another thing to consider:

hecht will be a good influence on the young players. he has very good work ethic on and off the ice and has kept himself in very good shape to keep playing at this level. this is the sort of player you want around reinforcing good off ice conditioning habits. also, you never know what baggage you are also taking on with some veteran players. not everyone is flowers and sunshine and some guys have any of a variety of off ice issues that you ideally don't expose your young players to.

also we are not giving up any assets in signing hecht. if it doesn't pan out, or his play in the DEL a massive fluke and he has somehow forgotten how to play smart responsible two way hockey, we can still make a trade.

honestly i would have been upset had the sabres not signed hecht. i know i am likely in an extreme minority here. but his play warrants a shot in the NHL, we obviously need a player like him... why not bring him back? if we didn't sign him, i think someone else would have. or at least tried to, he might only be open to playing in mannheim or buffalo at this point in his career. this is a win/win signing if you ask me.

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It's because he's going to be the #1 C and shoehorned into top 6 ice time.

It's because it's more of the same crap that hasn't worked the past 4 years or whatever.
Ruff has already said he's starting with CoHo between Vanek and Pommers and Ennis between Foligno and Stafford.

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