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12-23-2012, 12:52 PM
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Comparing an interference call to drunk driving now?

WOw..some of you people need to lighten up.

It's a hockey play.

Happens almost every game.
1) It was a charge.
2) It's an illegal hockey play
3) The frequency of the illgegality doesn't make it legal
4) I don't need to lighten up at all. You need to accept the fact that your dirty player is going to be suspended and stop whining about it.

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Comparing an interference call to drunk driving now?

WOw..some of you people need to lighten up.

It's a hockey play.

Happens almost every game.
a mountain is being mad of a mole hill...you're right.

I just don't understand either extremes to this arguement.

I don't think the hit is defendable...it was blatant, but I don't think it is a severe as some say to warrant a hefty suspension. ( 1 - 2 games would be okay for me)

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Assuming you deem it worthy of a major...which is wasnt.

Assuming you've read the actual rule book, which you haven't, it is.

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12-23-2012, 12:57 PM
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Assuming you deem it worthy of a major...which is wasnt.
Why don't you read the rules again and come to the same conclusion as the rest of the hockey world did?
It's really simple:
56.5 Game Misconduct Penalty When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

Was Pettersson injured? I'd say a separated shoulder and broken wrist qualifies as injured. Was Jenner guilty of charging and/or interference (doesn't matter which, rule's the same for both)? Yes, right?

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1) It was a charge.
2) It's an illegal hockey play
3) The frequency of the illgegality doesn't make it legal
4) I don't need to lighten up at all. You need to accept the fact that your dirty player is going to be suspended and stop whining about it.
1) Correct
2) Correct
3) Correct
4) He shouldn't be. 1 game max.

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Why don't you read the rules again and come to the same conclusion as the rest of the hockey world did?
It's really simple:
56.5 Game Misconduct Penalty When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

Was Pettersson injured? I'd say a separated shoulder and broken wrist qualifies as injured. Was Jenner guilty of charging and/or interference (doesn't matter which, rule's the same for both)? Yes, right?
This is what I take issue with.

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Assuming you deem it worthy of a major...which is wasnt.
It was a major based on the IIHF rule book. We could argue whether the IIHF rules are bogus, but you can't debate the hit in the context of the rule book.

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1) It was a charge.
2) It's an illegal hockey play
3) The frequency of the illgegality doesn't make it legal
4) I don't need to lighten up at all. You need to accept the fact that your dirty player is going to be suspended and stop whining about it.
Wait Jenner is now a dirty player? Good to know you have no clue what you're talking about.

He probably will get something, but it doesn't make it, or the IIHF any less of a joke.

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And as per IIHF rule they have the right to suspend him.
Having the right to do something doesn't make it correct.

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jaywalking is a ticketable offence....how old are you?

sorry if I come across crass, but really?, you didn't know that?
Jenner's hit was the ticket.Seriously, there are just some things that have been (or should have been) stapled into the minds of players since they were young. It's a really fast game. You have to be aware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8XeEYxNiv0

The after effects of this hit could prove to be much worse than the Jenner hit and this only results in a 2 minute penalty.

Whether it's intentional or not, collisions happen all the time resulting in serios injuries, even from teammates. People are blowing this way out of proportion. The only way I see it getting more than a game suspension is if the IIHF bases the bulk of the suspension on the fact that he is a repeat offender.

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Actually you are incredibly wrong. The resulting injury, by letter of the IIHF rulebook, says that it DOES have impact on the penalty.


http://www.iihf.com/iihf-home/sport/iihf-rule-book.html

It doesn't explicitly say the injury can affect any supplementary discipline, but it doesn't explicitly say it can't... which implies that it can be considered.

So keep on seeing incorrect things, but at least read the rule book.
OK no one is arguing the horrible IIHF rule book. We all know what it says, but we do not agree with it. How have you not grasped this yet.

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This is what I take issue with.
Straight from the IIHF rule book:

Charging:
a) A player who runs, jumps or charges an opponent or who runs, jumps or charges the
opposing goalkeeper in his crease shall be assessed, at the discretion of the Referee, a:
minor penalty (2)
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major penalty + automatic game misconduct penalty (5+GM)
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b) A player who injures his opponent as a result of charging shall be assessed, at the
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major penalty + automatic game misconduct penalty (5+GM)
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match penalty (MP)

Do you still disagree?

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Wait Jenner is now a dirty player? Good to know you have no clue what you're talking about.

He probably will get something, but it doesn't make it, or the IIHF any less of a joke.
No, not now. It goes back to at least last year. If a guy gets suspended in 2 straight WJCs, yeah I'd have no problem saying he's dirty.

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OK no one is arguing the horrible IIHF rule book. We all know what it says, but we do not agree with it. How have you not grasped this yet.
Then your country should have decided to sit out the tournament. You agreed to play by the rules given to you, then accept the results of your actions. And, btw, how is the IIHF rule book on this matter any different than the NHL rule book?

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jaywalking is a ticketable offence....how old are you?

sorry if I come across crass, but really?, you didn't know that?
Very good. I was just pointing out that while being a ticketable offence, it is not one that is enforced.

There is a reason that officers are given room for judgement in their job, sadly the IIHF doesn't understand the meaning of the word discreteness.

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myself and another poster were making anologies and that was one of them....
No he was talking about crossing the road, he said nothing about jaywalking.

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Having the right to do something doesn't make it correct.
... but doing something becasue you can is right?... Like taking out a guy not paying attention? You are funny.

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No, not now. It goes back to at least last year. If a guy gets suspended in 2 straight WJCs, yeah I'd have no problem saying he's dirty.
So your entire opinion of Jenner is from 2 games. I'll stick with seeing him play for the Generals for 4 years.

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Very good. I was just pointing out that while being a ticketable offence, it is not one that is enforced.

There is a reason that officers are given room for judgement in their job, sadly the IIHF doesn't understand the meaning of the word discreteness.
By the way, Snipes, you have yet to address the Horton/Rome scenario in the SC Finals 2011.

If you could find a moment, I would love to see your spin on that one. Please?

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Then your country should have decided to sit out the tournament. You agreed to play by the rules given to you, then accept the results of your actions. And, btw, how is the IIHF rule book on this matter any different than the NHL rule book?
OK one more time, lets try and get this through your thick, stubborn head. We accept that he got the penalty and the game, but we do not agree that the result should have an impact on anything. If thats the kind of hockey you want to see go watch some house league tyke games and leave the real hockey to us.

Stop trying to wussify the game, injuries happen, suck it up. It happens move on. NO need to vilify the kid for a body to body slightly late hit on a weak kid.

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No he was talking about crossing the road, he said nothing about jaywalking.
no, he made it sound as though the person crossing the street would be at fault in some way( which can ONLY be jaywalking)...but if he was at a crosswalk, regardelless of traffic, or having "beats on",...the driver is 100%[B[/B] wrong for hitting him. no gray area,no debate, driver is wrong.
same as the Jenner situation. hit him late, no reason to, and no defending can be made....bad play.

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By the way, Snipes, you have yet to address the Horton/Rome scenario in the SC Finals 2011.

If you could find a moment, I would love to see your spin on that one. Please?
I don't care about that hit. I am concerned with the Jenner hit. It was a late hit, he got what he deserved, its sad so many people are blowing it out of proportion.

It's really a shame sometimes that HF boards doesn't allow you to say what you are really thinking about people and their opinions.

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Straight from the IIHF rule book:

Charging:
a) A player who runs, jumps or charges an opponent or who runs, jumps or charges the
opposing goalkeeper in his crease shall be assessed, at the discretion of the Referee, a:
minor penalty (2)
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b) A player who injures his opponent as a result of charging shall be assessed, at the
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major penalty + automatic game misconduct penalty (5+GM)
or
match penalty (MP)

Do you still disagree?
I see it as interference. Not charging.

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No, not now. It goes back to at least last year. If a guy gets suspended in 2 straight WJCs, yeah I'd have no problem saying he's dirty.
We have no idea what happened on the ice last year. Jenner was hurt, a Russian came over, put his hand on him, said something and got a nice love tap back. Retaliation, who knows but no big deal.

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