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Exhibition • Dec. 22 • Canada 2, Sweden 1 (SO) • Part II

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12-22-2012, 04:43 PM
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I think Jenner was the reason why Finland rested their best players against Canada. After all it was only friendly match.

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12-22-2012, 04:57 PM
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I think Jenner was the reason why Finland rested their best players against Canada. After all it was only friendly match.
We aren't talking about Steve Downie or Matt Cooke.

Jenner is not a malicious player. I have watched him play a lot over the last few years. And he does not come across as someone that goes out of his way to put someone out of the game.

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12-22-2012, 05:00 PM
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So because he is bigger and stronger than others he should be punished?

Is the moral of your story be soft and weak so you can't hurt anyone?

Clean hit = Clean hit, no matter the result.
There are plenty of big players who throw big hits but don't cause anything worse than a shake and a stir to the recepient. North American and European alike. And they're always worthy an applause. The injuries are a byline to be tolerated. So it's not like anybody is going after hard play as a phenomenon. That much should be apparent.


It's bit like traffic accidents. Every once in a while somebody bumps into a pedestrian who breaks a hip or something. Most are ruled out as a stroke of bad luck, and nobody in their right mind is going to call a ban on cars or blame the automotive industry.

However, if a certain driver will end up involved in these incidents over and over again, they will shelve his or her license.


The case against Jenner is NOT a case against physical play. But of course most of you are going to keep spinning it that way, because it's best defense your guy has against a possible suspension. It's kinda cute, really. And human.

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12-22-2012, 05:03 PM
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Just watched the hit. Looked completely fine. My reaction wasn't "OH MY GOD HE'S DEAD," it was more like "solid contact."

Unfortunate that the Swede hurt his shoulder on the play.

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There are plenty of big players who throw big hits but don't cause anything worse than a shake and a stir to the recepient. North American and European alike. And they're always worthy an applause. The injuries are a byline to be tolerated. So it's not like anybody is going after hard play as a phenomenon. That much should be apparent.


It's bit like traffic accidents. Every once in a while somebody bumps into a pedestrian who breaks a hip or something. Most are ruled out as a stroke of bad luck, and nobody in their right mind is going to call a ban on cars or blame the automotive industry.

However, if a certain driver will end up involved in these incidents over and over again, they will shelve his or her license.


The case against Jenner is NOT a case against physical play. But of course most of you are going to keep spinning it that way, because it's best defense your guy has against a possible suspension. It's kinda cute, really. And human.
Outside of a tiny bonehead spear last year show my some malicious intent from Jenner. Because if it isn't there you have no case.

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12-22-2012, 05:07 PM
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There are plenty of big players who throw big hits but don't cause anything worse than a shake and a stir to the recepient. North American and European alike. And they're always worthy an applause. The injuries are a byline to be tolerated. So it's not like anybody is going after hard play as a phenomenon. That much should be apparent.


It's bit like traffic accidents. Every once in a while somebody bumps into a pedestrian who breaks a hip or something. Most are ruled out as a stroke of bad luck, and nobody in their right mind is going to call a ban on cars or blame the automotive industry.

However, if a certain driver will end up involved in these incidents over and over again, they will shelve his or her license.


The case against Jenner is NOT a case against physical play. But of course most of you are going to keep spinning it that way, because it's best defense your guy has against a possible suspension. It's kinda cute, really. And human.
If you hit a person with your car and they break their hip, it's unlikely that they'll just rule it a stroke of bad luck unless the person literally jumped out in front of you with no chance to stop. If you are involved in multiple incidents in which you are found not to be at fault, why would they take away your license, and how would they be legally justified to do so?

Some big clean hits don't cause injuries. Some do. That is the nature of the sport, and it depends on a million factors in each hit. Trying to claim that someone should be punished because their completely legal hits happen to result in injury is absolutely insane. Why bother even having rules if you want them to be ignored as the means of determining if an incident deserves punishment?

Note: I haven't seen the hit - just responding to the post.


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12-22-2012, 05:08 PM
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they just showed the hit a bunch more times on tsn and at a better angle...it was really late. later than i initially thought it was. you can't do that. if he's not suspended i'll be stunned.

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12-22-2012, 05:12 PM
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Jenner is an idiot.. Feel bad for the Swede. That's one of the latest hits I've seen, dumb play by him just like last year when he speared Kuznetsov. And people wanted him as captain.

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12-22-2012, 05:17 PM
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Outside of a tiny bonehead spear last year show my some malicious intent from Jenner. Because if it isn't there you have no case.
So now he should be cleared because he doesn't intend to hurt anybody? Should have guess this one's coming next.

It's not about Jenner's malevolence. It's about the guy hitting people and people getting hurt. Nothing more, nothing less. Like I said, there are plenty of players out there who know how to hit but don't end up sending people to a hospital. Jenner would certainly be a fine player if he learnt how to hit like this. He obviously has something to learn in it (and it's not in fact how to hit people, it's when to hit people, respecting the opponent is a big part of that), and if a suspension is required to drive that lesson home, it is the right course of action.

Same thing with those careless drivers. They may not mean to hurt anybody by hitting people, but if they're deemed a danger in traffic regardless, they need to be taken off the road and reschooled.

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If you are involved in multiple incidents in which you are found not to be at fault, why would they take away your license, and how would they be legally justified to do so?
So, Jenner was just striding along the ice, seeing how fast he can go on his skates when Petterson jumped in front of him out of nowhere? Have to watch the replay again, but if that's really the ruling, then not TOTALLY his fault.

Hopefully they've since taught Määttä and Kuznetsov as well to check left and right before crossing the blueline for any incoming Jenners.

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Some big clean hits don't cause injuries. Some do. That is the nature of the sport, and it depends on a million factors in each hit. Trying to claim that someone should be punished because their completely legal hits happen to result in injury is absolutely insane. Why bother even having rules if you want them to be ignored as the means of determining if an incident deserves punishment?
Once again, it's not about punishing Jenner for this incident, but if something should be done because of repeated incidents.

If the IIHF decides not to look into his past and not make a general statement, then yes, a major plus game misconduct is what the rulebook says.


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12-22-2012, 05:21 PM
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So, Jenner was just striding along the ice, seeing how fast he can go on his skates when Petterson jumped in front of him out of nowhere? Have to watch the replay again, but if that's really the ruling, then not TOTALLY his fault.

Hopefully they've since taught Määttä and Kuznetsov as well to check left and right before crossing the blueline for any incoming Jenners.
You're the one that made a crappy comparison - no need to get mad at me for it.

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12-22-2012, 05:23 PM
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You're the one that made a crappy comparison - no need to get mad at me for it.
FYI, it is called a "traffic accident", whether it's due to the pedestrian or the driver being careless.

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International standards lean towards the soft and weak. This much has been apparent for years. Gotta keep the North Americans in check (see: not as dominant) some how.
Hehe, when all those tough NA guys will be exterminated by concussions, softy internationals will conquer America! I bet it will happen sooner than later.

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Hey guys, wasn't able to watch the game, how did Morgan Rielly play???
He was Canada's best PP specialist.

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Well this time the QMJHL isn't around to help bail out a player. If they factor in his history he will be done for group play.

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Watch any CHL game and hits that late occur all the time on that same type of play.

Difference is the player getting hit in CHL is ready for it.

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Jenner is an idiot.. Feel bad for the Swede. That's one of the latest hits I've seen, dumb play by him just like last year when he speared Kuznetsov. And people wanted him as captain.
Yea unfortunately this was a really poor decision by Jenner.

It wouldn't fly in the CHL and it certainly won't in IIHF.

It was selfish and unnecessary, but hey, he'll pay for it I'm sure.

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Watch any CHL game and hits that late occur all the time on that same type of play.

Difference is the player getting hit in CHL is ready for it.
Well, they aren't in CHL now. Jenner should know better. I expect a 2 game suspension.

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Jenner is an idiot.. Feel bad for the Swede. That's one of the latest hits I've seen, dumb play by him just like last year when he speared Kuznetsov. And people wanted him as captain.
To be fair though, Jenner was hurt and laying on the ice when Kuznetsov came up to him and started saying stuff.

Dumb move by Jenner, regardless.

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Well, they aren't in CHL now. Jenner should know better. I expect a 2 game suspension.
Yea that's what I'd expect too.

Something that'd be inconsequential to Canada.

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I missed the game today due to work and when I clicked on this thread for the first time the first post I read was about a suspension. I then seen the hit on sportscentre and couldn't believe people were talking about a suspension. The hit was late, definitely, but he got a 5 and a game. That is enough for the hit. He didn't have his elbows up, he didn't jump, it was just unfortunate for the Swede.

On the other hand, I couldn't believe he needed a stretcher from the highlight. That is pathetic. You dislocate your shoulder and sprain your wrist and you need a stretcher to carry you off the ice? Man up! I think he was milking it to try and get Jenner suspended.

I know I'm a Canadian but if a Canadian pulled this crap I would be saying the same thing. I just cannot believe that he would need a stretcher for that hit.

Look at Brayden Schenn a couple years ago, he separates (or dislocates, I can't remember) his shoulder and then gets up, not only finishing the game, but also the tournament.

If Jenner is suspended, it is a disgrace.

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Hehe, when all those tough NA guys will be exterminated by concussions, softy internationals will conquer America! I bet it will happen sooner than later.
I'd call that an oxymoron. Wouldn't you?

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I missed the game today due to work and when I clicked on this thread for the first time the first post I read was about a suspension. I then seen the hit on sportscentre and couldn't believe people were talking about a suspension. The hit was late, definitely, but he got a 5 and a game. That is enough for the hit. He didn't have his elbows up, he didn't jump, it was just unfortunate for the Swede.

On the other hand, I couldn't believe he needed a stretcher from the highlight. That is pathetic. You dislocate your shoulder and sprain your wrist and you need a stretcher to carry you off the ice? Man up! I think he was milking it to try and get Jenner suspended.

I know I'm a Canadian but if a Canadian pulled this crap I would be saying the same thing. I just cannot believe that he would need a stretcher for that hit.

Look at Brayden Schenn a couple years ago, he separates (or dislocates, I can't remember) his shoulder and then gets up, not only finishing the game, but also the tournament.

If Jenner is suspended, it is a disgrace.
That does not matter at all. The guy got a dislocated shoulder and some broken ribs and probably a concussion from a huge hit that was far away from the play, way way late. Those kind of hits are the worst kind, and they can be avoided. This is definitely going to be a suspension. The players in the NHL are smarter, you rarely see hits that are as badly timed as this one, it does not matter if his shoulder was high or not, the hit was dangerous and caused major damage.

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Dirty hits. Not kosher. Check.

Clean hits, people hurt. Happen occasionally. Usually freak accidents. Should be accepted by players. Hard to argue.

But then there's a guy who constantly keeps hurting other players with hits that are not dirty, as if it almost was an art he's practiced. But hey, he should get away with it scotsfree every time because the hits are, you know, clean.

Man, I just love the moral of this story.
Jenner isn't as bad as you are trying to make him out to be.

He has been perfectly fine in the OHL. The only time he has done something stupid was when he speared Kuznetsov last year. Even then, if you watch the replay, they were hacking and slashing each other during faceoff.

He isn't a goon like you want people to believe. It is unfortunate that the Swede got hurt today and that Maata got hurt last year, but I hope he brings this grit and physicality to the NHL.

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That was a really dumb hit... so late. I hope he gets a suspension as a lesson. Feel really bad for the Swede that got hit and Sweden fans...

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Honestly, I don't think the hit was that bad. At worst a 5 and 10.

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