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12-22-2012, 12:22 AM
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NJ Governor Christie puts lockout blame on NHL leadership

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Governor Christie placed the blame for the continued cancellation of National Hockey League games on league leadership and said the lockout is taking a toll on the state’s largest city.

“When you can’t have a good relationship with your folks, your labor, three times in a row now to the point where you lose most of or entire seasons, it reflects I think on management,” he said. ...
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“It’s funny, it’s another one of these typical fights between billionaires and millionaires that can’t figure out how to divide the money up and you’ve got to wonder about the leadership of the National Hockey League,” he said. “This is the third time this has happened in recent memory. You know, that’s bad management.”

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I always thought that Gov Christie was a dope. Now it's confirmed.

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I always thought that Gov Christie was a dope. Now it's confirmed.
Dope about what? The most games lost of any sports league? 2 lockouts in 3000 days, 2 1/2 in 15 years? Or the fact the cap has failed? Or the players not willing to help keep teams afloat.


The NHL is very close to the line here. Don't blame the messenger.

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I really don't care. He like you and I, are just sick of the NHL/NHLPA doing damage to the game with their nonsense.
Actually Christie has a notorious image of siding with one side for no reason whatsoever. When he worked with Obama to help Sandy efforts was different, other then that he just spews whatever comes out of his mouth without thinking about it.

I'm more favor of Republicans but the dude is an idiot. He probably, like any other fan, is blaming Bettman for everything. The owners and players have "zero responsbility" right?

Deal was in reach until Fehr told them to deny so they could get more out of it apparently. Also didn't fold on any issue, although max contract length isn't a big deal at all. He just wants a complete blowout and it won't happen.

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Dope about what? The most games lost of any sports league? 2 lockouts in 3000 days, 2 1/2 in 15 years? Or the fact the cap has failed? Or the players not willing to help keep teams afloat.


The NHL is very close to the line here. Don't blame the messenger.
How many seasons and games were cancelled under Fehr in both sports? I would have tried to hide my bias at least.

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MOD NOTE: This thread is not to discuss the politics of New Jersey nor its governor. And keep the pot shots at the governor to a minimum.

Focus on the impact of hockey on Newark and New Jersey.

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I can't believe that 74% of New Jersey's tax revenues used to go to like, 700 people.

Even though they've got it down to 57%, the taxpayers must be pissed that it isn't 50%.

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I can't understand this continued sentiment. I mean, I understand it, but why there isn't equally sentiment supporting the other side. It's just as likely that unions and players have come to expect too much, and that all the owners can do is to try and install limits. Why should the owners always be expected to keep the player salary increases soaring?

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It's funny though, I was watching the fiscal cliff and both sides seemed JUST like the NHL lockout. It's quite sad.

I'm not promoting any agenda here but if you have a guy who is notoriously hated by the public in politics and he comments on something NHL related, it's worth being brought up at least a brief WHY he is disliked.

All I can say is screw New Jersey. They didn't show up when their team sucked just years ago and suddenly they get hot. Same with places like Pittsburgh when they were bad.

My opinion is that they should work on government issues and not hockey. Both sides are dysfunctional as it is.

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How many seasons and games were cancelled under Fehr in both sports? I would have tried to hide my bias at least.
Until Fehr joined the NHL less. Now he's number 1, because of the NHL, the worst run of the Big 3.5

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Actually Christie has a notorious image of siding with one side for no reason whatsoever. When he worked with Obama to help Sandy efforts was different, other then that he just spews whatever comes out of his mouth without thinking about it.

I'm more favor of Republicans but the dude is an idiot. He probably, like any other fan, is blaming Bettman for everything. The owners and players have "zero responsbility" right?

Deal was in reach until Fehr told them to deny so they could get more out of it apparently. Also didn't fold on any issue, although max contract length isn't a big deal at all. He just wants a complete blowout and it won't happen.
IMO most fans are siding with the owners. Well until its tax money for the arena time...

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Gov. Christie speaks a truth that's plainly obvious to anyone MOD

Regardless of your opinion of Fehr, Bettman's leadership record is inexcusable.


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Wait, Chris Christie is disliked? Isn't he a Republican governor in a Democratic state? Wasn't he considered to be a frontrunner should he have entered the Republican primary last year?

Some people must like him..

Honestly, when a Republican is saying that the billionaire owners are screwing things up, you know it's bad. His comments about the labour relations is telling; it's not like there is one set of hardline players that the league is going up against. It's a new crop of players every CBA expiry and Bettman is obsessed with humiliating every incoming group.

The fact that Bettman still has a job should be an indication that billionaires shouldn't have some special status. They're just as capable of making bad decisions and being stubborn about them as anyone else.

Despite this, it's very sad how many people here seem to idolize them. What a screwed up country where the pursuit of wealth at any cost is held up above all other things.

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I can't understand this continued sentiment. I mean, I understand it, but why there isn't equally sentiment supporting the other side. It's just as likely that unions and players have come to expect too much, and that all the owners can do is to try and install limits. Why should the owners always be expected to keep the player salary increases soaring?
Because you've had more than one PA leader. Because you've had the same NHL leader.

Because no other commissioner has this kind of record.

Because, these are lockouts, not strikes.

Because the one strike we did have cost zero games.

Because at the end of the day, Bettman is the commissioner of the NHL <<--- The buck stops here.

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IMO most fans are siding with the owners. Well until its tax money for the arena time...
The polls tell a different story. At least in Canada (not aware of any US polling).

Most people see this as Bettman's lockout.

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Because you've had more than one PA leader. Because you've had the same NHL leader.

Because no other commissioner has this kind of record.

Because, these are lockouts, not strikes.

Because the one strike we did have cost zero games.
Look, if the players truly wanted to avoid the risk of a "Bettman/owners" lockout, if they truly wanted to negotiate, they were invited to begin the process almost a year ahead of time, and then two or three times since then prior to the Sept 15th CBA expiry. But they didn't want to do that.

And as for strikes never cost games... .., come on, you catch the owners at the moment the League is most vulnerable to losing Playoff $, and the owners are more likely to cave in to prevent that cash loss. Why have lockouts happened since then rather than strikes,... for that very reason.

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Ahh, another quote long on hyperbole and short on facts. 3 work stoppages could actually be both sides at fault or maybe one side each time. How many variations are there?

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Ahh, another quote long on hyperbole and short on facts. 3 work stoppages could actually be both sides at fault or maybe one side each time. How many variations are there?
The only constant is Bettman and Jacobs.

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Look, if the players truly wanted to avoid the risk of a "Bettman/owners" lockout, if they truly wanted to negotiate, they were invited to begin the process almost a year ahead of time, and then two or three times since then prior to the Sept 15th CBA expiry. But they didn't want to do that.
The players opted out of sham negotiations. Cause that's all there was coming from the league until about a month ago.

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The only constant is Bettman and Jacobs.
There are plenty of constant variables. How many players are constant? More owners as well. Let alone the issues. Point is, Christie could back up his claim by supporting it whether I would agree with his reasoning or not. Just making an open claim like that doesnt hold water.

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Look, if the players truly wanted to avoid the risk of a "Bettman/owners" lockout, if they truly wanted to negotiate, they were invited to begin the process almost a year ahead of time, and then two or three times since then prior to the Sept 15th CBA expiry. But they didn't want to do that.

And as for strikes never cost games... .., come on, you catch the owners at the moment the League is most vulnerable to losing Playoff $, and the owners are more likely to cave in to prevent that cash loss. Why have lockouts happened since then rather than strikes,... for that very reason.
I'm so tired of this line. But whatever.

Explain to me why the NHL strike cost us ZERO games. And each lockout has cost us TONS of games.

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There are plenty of constant variables. How many players are constant? More owners as well. Let alone the issues. Point is, Christie could back up his claim by supporting it whether I would agree with his reasoning or not. Just making an open claim like that doesnt hold water.
There are no players constant for all three lockouts, and relatively few have seen more than one lockout in span of their career.

Jacobs has been instrumental in all three lockouts. Bettman has been commissioner.

What does Christie need to back up his claim? He's basically calling a duck a duck.

I have no idea why some fans are protective of the people who are on the verge of cancelling a season twice in the last 8 years. Even ONE cancellation is a huge black mark - no other major league sport has done that.

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There are plenty of constant variables. How many players are constant? More owners as well. Let alone the issues. Point is, Christie could back up his claim by supporting it whether I would agree with his reasoning or not. Just making an open claim like that doesnt hold water.
If Christie had to shut down a state department every year at budget time because he couldn't deal with the state house or senate... then that would reflect poorly on Christie.

When you're the executive -- the buck stops with you.

If you don't like it, go be a corporate vice president somewhere.

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I always thought that Gov Christie was a dope. Now it's confirmed.
Oh, he's probably just some left-wing pro-union socialist in bed with the wicked Canadian media. Ignore him. He holds the wrong opinion and can't have his head screwed on right.

Now, if he really understood the facts . . .

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There are no players constant for all three lockouts, and relatively few have seen more than one lockout in span of their career.

Jacobs has been instrumental in all three lockouts. Bettman has been commissioner.

What does Christie need to back up his claim? He's basically calling a duck a duck.

I have no idea why some fans are protective of the people who are on the verge of cancelling a season twice in the last 8 years. Even ONE cancellation is a huge black mark - no other major league sport has done that.
That's just the simple truth.

Truth: The owners chose the lockout.
Truth: The players did not choose the lockout.
Truth: Gary Bettman has been commissioner three times now for Lockouts.

These are truths. It's funny watching the gymnastics people will do to avoid the truth.

They start accusing me of being biased for calling it the "owners' lockout."

But that's what it is. It's the truth.

Had the owners taken up the players on their offer to play while negotiating... the lockout could be avoided.

Then, perhaps, a deal would be struck with no games lost.
Or, perhaps, the Fehr would have called for a strike. Then it would be the Player's Strike -- Truthfully. Accurately. Objectively.
Or, perhaps, no deal would be reached and we'd start it all over again next year.

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