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12-29-2012, 01:27 AM
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Face Punk>>>heel Punk.
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12-29-2012, 02:53 AM
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4) Kurt Angle, during his prime run in WWE, was the absolute total package as a wrestler and on the mike.
No argument here and I don't think this is an unpopular opinion (...in my opinion)

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12-29-2012, 12:14 PM
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- I don't like Undertaker very much. He's had some good matches, but I was never really interested by him. Kane was midly better, I felt.

- Never liked Mick Foley, really. He had a couple of great moments, and a few great matches. He was pretty solid as Cactus Jack, but I couldn't get into the rest of it.

- I absolutely hate Big Show - although he's more over with kids than people my age. I still can't stand him.

- The recent Triple H vs. Undertaker matches from Wrestlemania... suck. The HIAC was a little better, but still doesn't hit *** for me. However, their WM 17 match was off the charts.

- I like John Cena to an extent. I don't love him, but I like him. He's a solid enough worker and he's good on the mic when he isn't make ridiculous jokes about farting and the like.

- I love the cruiserweights like Justin Gabriel, Tyson Kidd, & Evan Bourne. They seem to be popular online to "SMARKS" but not really to the general WWE crowd. I'd much rather watch them go for 15-20 minutes and the Big Show/Sheamus matches go 5 minutes.

- Sheamus is a garbage face. He's basically a carbon copy of Cena with more retarded promos. A much better heel. He's a good worker when he has a good opponent. Painfully boring otherwise.

- I dislike Orton. He was good when he was the Legend Killer - but the Viper gimmick is horrible.

- Never cared about The Rock (except for Hurricane angle), never really cared about Stone Cold, and even hated Hogan as a kid. Never liked Flair either (although now that I'm a bit older, I do love a lot of his matches since I'm a technical wrestling kind of guy).

- Didn't like Nash. Found him boring and slow. As Diesel he was .. okay. As Nash, I hated him.

- Don't like Goldberg or Luger. Just not my type of workers.

- Prefer Christian to Edge.

- Prefer Marty Jannetty to Shawn Michaels.

- Tag Team wrestling is the best type of pure wrestling. It's so much more fun if done right.

I might think of some more later.

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12-29-2012, 01:04 PM
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-mind=blown at the Taker dislike. love the guy. love his matches. has been on top since forever without having him to wear the belt as often. thats why the streak SHOULD be important, thats why hes known for.
-Alberto Del Rio might be my favorite character right now. (from Rodriguez amazing intro to what he brings to the ring.)
-AJ as hot as she is, needs to disappear or at least stay far from the champions/main-events.
-Cruiserweight belt/division needs to comeback
-3 hours is too much for RAW
- moar Ric Flair. i dont care where. just put him on my tv.
- The Rock aswell. great promos. huge draw. i wanna see that much with punk.

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12-29-2012, 01:08 PM
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3-hours isn't too much. But the way WWE books, 3-hours is too much.

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12-29-2012, 01:17 PM
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3-hours isn't too much. But the way WWE books, 3-hours is too much.
yeah.
when they show 3 times what hapenned earlier. gets annoying
plus smackdown, main-event, etc... theres basically no split anymore. they could do well with 2 hours. and the rest in other show. imo.

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12-29-2012, 01:47 PM
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Three hours is too much when theres main event, nxt, smackdown & saturday morning slam. Those shows are 5 hrs combined, along with three hours of raw every week & a ppv of three hours every month.

Its just too much & they dont have the talent or booking for it.

When i say talent, i mean they havent built enough people up to make people care about them. The talent & potential is there.

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12-29-2012, 02:51 PM
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Three hours is too much when theres main event, nxt, smackdown & saturday morning slam. Those shows are 5 hrs combined, along with three hours of raw every week & a ppv of three hours every month.

Its just too much & they dont have the talent or booking for it.

When i say talent, i mean they havent built enough people up to make people care about them. The talent & potential is there.
That's exactly why 3-hours is fine. The problem is their booking. They should be giving lower carders mic time on main shows, as well as the odd main event match. RAW and Smackdown should have 2 main eventers wrestle per week. The rest should be lowcarders and midcarders getting their chance to shine. Main Eventers should wrestle on the smaller shows, so that people actually watch them, and can see some of the lowercarders as well.

Say there's 3 matches per hour on smaller shows [on RAW/Smackdown 1 squash per hour] (no brand split because it basically doesn't exist anymore except to have two world champs), here's a sample booking;

jobbers= santino, yoshi, mcgillicutty, otunga

RAW
hour #1
Dolph Ziggler vs. Christian 8:00-8:15
Primo & Epico vs. The Uso's 8:35-8:45
Ryback vs. local jobber 8:52-8:55

hour #2
International Airstrike vs. Team Hell No 9:10-9:23
Brodus Clay vs. David Otunga 9:33-9:38
Alberto del Rio & The Miz vs. Rhodes Scholars 9:45-9:57

hour #3
R-Truth vs. Antonio Cesaro US Title 10:00-10:15
AJ vs. Natalya 10:30-10:38
Randy Orton vs. Heath Slater 10:48-11:00

NXT
random developmental matches

Main Event
Sheamus vs. Wade Barrett 9:00-9:25
Kofi Kingston vs. Ted DiBiase 9:30-9:40
John Cena vs. Tensai 9:45-10:00

Superstars
Evan Bourne vs. Hunico 9:00-9:20
Kaitlyn & Layla vs. Eve & Tamina 9:30-9:40
Zack Ryder & Santino Marrella vs. Drew McIntyre & Jinder Mahal 9:45-10:00

Smackdown
hour #1
Big Show vs. Yoshi Tatsu - 8:15-8:20
Prime Time Playas vs. Team Hell No 8:25-8:50
CM Punk vs. Trent Baretta 8:50-9:00

hour #2
Big E. Langston vs. local jobber 9:10-9:15
Alex Riley vs. Michael McGillicutty 9:15-9:25
Sin Cara, Rey Mysterio & Kofi Kingston vs. Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, & Roman Reigns 9:35-10:00

Saturday Morning Slam
Zack Ryder vs. David Otunga 10:00-10:10
International Airstrike vs. Primo & Epico 10:20-10:35
John Cena vs. Michael McGillicutty 10:50-11:00

of course you don't have to use the whole roster.. and the final weeks before PPVs, you'd really cut down on using the lowcarders and stack the cards -- but you do this, and fill int he blanks with promo time for just about everyone and you have a product people care about.

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12-29-2012, 03:05 PM
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1) Dolph Ziggler is "great" compared to the current roster, but can't hold a candle to Jericho as a talker in his prime, and will never reach the level of a Mr. Perfect or Million Dollar Man as a heel worker.

2) Kane as a character is much better than Taker.

3) Shawn Michaels is not the greatest performer of all time.

4) Kurt Angle, during his prime run in WWE, was the absolute total package as a wrestler and on the mike.
I haven't watched wrestling for years but I always thought Kurt Angle was really good after the whole goody good, Olympic gold winner image was shed. If I recall his 'loser' image and banter against Stone Cold was top notch.

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12-29-2012, 03:20 PM
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- I like his new gimmick but Daniel Bryan is nothing more than a midcarter
- Damien Sandow is boring. His gimmick needs something more
- Ryback deserves to be a main eventer and a future champion (same thing for Ziggler but I don't think it's an unpopular opinion)
- Alberto Del Rio and Sheamus have the total package to be huge stars in this business. They would have been a lot more effective in the ruthless aggression era

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12-29-2012, 03:22 PM
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But no one cares about a lot of those guys, & you cant just do it by putting them in those matches. You need to book them up to make the fans buy into it, & right now wwe has too many guys they need to do that with in the lower card.

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12-29-2012, 04:47 PM
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I almost forgot...
Ruthless Aggression era >>> Attitude era

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12-29-2012, 04:49 PM
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I almost forgot...
Ruthless Aggression era >>> Attitude era
only on the Smackdown side of things, IMO. Raw was terrible in 2003.

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12-29-2012, 05:33 PM
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only on the Smackdown side of things, IMO. Raw was terrible in 2003.
Agree Smackdown was actually pretty entertaining compared to raw for quite a while there.

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12-29-2012, 05:39 PM
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Paul Heyman booking FTW.

Smackdown Six.

Best era of Smackdown ever. They just had so much talent. Lesnar, Show, Angle, Taker, Benoit, E. Guerrero, Edge, Mysterio, Rhyno, Tajiri, C. Guerrero, Cena, Benjamin, Haas, etc.

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12-29-2012, 06:41 PM
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Agree Smackdown was actually pretty entertaining compared to raw for quite a while there.
Smackdown was awesome in the Ruthless Agression Era. Lesnar, Angle, Benoit, Los Guerrero's, Team Angle, Thugonomics Cena, Cruiserweights, etc. I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot too.

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12-29-2012, 06:55 PM
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Stone Cold was a botch-machine. Had the personality to make up for it though.
The Bushwackers were awesome

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Stone Cold was a botch-machine. Had the personality to make up for it though.
The Bushwackers were awesome
Stone Cold was incredible in WCW. His knee's really messed him up in WWF.

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Didn't his in-ring work get severely limited after Owen dropped him on his head as well?

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12-29-2012, 08:16 PM
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Didn't his in-ring work get severely limited after Owen dropped him on his head as well?
Nah, I think he started slowing down in WCW. Most of his great WWF matches were gimmick matches or street fights. Even pre-neck injury, his best WWF match was the strap match with Savio Vega. Weird to say Savio Vega and great match in the same breath (Vega was good but never given a spot on the card to work good matches).

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12-29-2012, 08:45 PM
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Stone Cold was incredible in WCW. His knee's really messed him up in WWF.
Agreed, Stunning Steve was great. Stone Cold not so much.

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12-29-2012, 11:27 PM
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- Dean Ambrose isn't the greatest thing in the history of forever. He's great, don't get me wrong, but when people start revering everything he does, it's annoying.

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12-30-2012, 08:02 AM
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- Dean Ambrose isn't the greatest thing in the history of forever. He's great, don't get me wrong, but when people start revering everything he does, it's annoying.
but isn't it true because that's what the internet says?

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Last year at Wrestlemania and the build up towards it, I enjoyed watching John Cena more than The Rock.

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Last year at Wrestlemania and the build up towards it, I enjoyed watching John Cena more than The Rock.
I agree completely. I hate Cena as much as the next guy, but the Rock just went out and threw a bunch of catchphrases around and got old in 30 seconds. Cena made some salient points about being the guy that stuck around and did everything for the company to the point where many fans were turning on him, and he was still there. His character drives me nuts, but I've got nothing against the guy John Cena.

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