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12-23-2012, 05:23 PM
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Yes, but it's easy when you're picking 1st overall. The best thing about the Jackets prospects? NONE of them were drafted in the first round.

Looks like the Jackets have the most (5). Who are those people that say the Jackets can't draft again?
Edited only the team name... Also too bad that Ryan Murray is injured.

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12-23-2012, 05:36 PM
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Blues have 5 I believe.

CAN - Rattie, Binnington
CZE - Jaskin
SWE - Lundstrom
FIN - Lindbohm

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12-23-2012, 05:39 PM
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Canucks get the shaft. Corrado nearly made it, and Jensen would've been Denmark's go-to-guy had his team qualified. He's developing really well this season, and has scored some real beauties. Too bad

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12-23-2012, 05:43 PM
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Canucks get the shaft. Corrado nearly made it, and Jensen would've been Denmark's go-to-guy had his team qualified. He's developing really well this season, and has scored some real beauties. Too bad
I think the D for Canada was pretty set already even before camp.

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12-23-2012, 06:08 PM
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Honestly the amount of prospects at the WJC doesn't mean anything to determine success of the draft. For example in 2011 the Jackets drafted 6 players, 3 of them currently on their respective teams and the other 3 are overagers. But what if all 6 of them were born in 1992 and were too old for this WJC? The Jackets' draft suddenly would have become unsuccesfull?

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12-23-2012, 06:15 PM
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Wow, congratulations on your two bottom pairing defensemen and back-up goaltender. I've certainly misjudged the Flames prospects.
Two "bottom pairing" defensemen on two of the favoured teams to win the Gold Medal. Think about all the guys they beat out, some even former 1st round draft picks. And Gillies is only 18. Don't be surprised if he's Team USA's #1 goaltender next year.

Funny how you failed to mention Gaudreau - who'll be USA's go-to guy offensively - and Granlund, another go-to guy.

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12-23-2012, 06:20 PM
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Buffalo would've had 5.

Grigorenko, McCabe, Armia, Makarov(if they choose to start him which they may), and if he was going Girgensons.

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Buffalo's got 4. At least 3 look like they'll have significant roles on their teams.
Russia: Grigorenko, Makarov
USA: McCabe
Finland: Armia

Would have been 5 if Rochester had released Girgeensons to play for Latvia.


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12-23-2012, 06:32 PM
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Whats up with people not answering the question. Bringing in players that played div 1A and who got cut in the last round. Those players DOESN'T count.

Florida has 5, all who play pretty significant roles on their teams.

Canada: Huberdeau
USA: Grimaldi and Trocheck
Russia: Kosov
Sweden: Bengtsson

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12-23-2012, 06:35 PM
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Whats up with people not answering the question. Bringing in players that played div 1A and who got cut in the last round. Those players DOESN'T count.
Trying to make things sound better than they are. Not really sure who they're trying to impress.

Anyways, I believe Toronto has 4

Rielly for Canada
Biggs and Sparks for USA
Nilsson for Sweden. Excited to see him play.

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12-23-2012, 06:39 PM
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Trying to make things sound better than they are. Not really sure who they're trying to impress.
Exactly!

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Honestly the amount of prospects at the WJC doesn't mean anything to determine success of the draft. For example in 2011 the Jackets drafted 6 players, 3 of them currently on their respective teams and the other 3 are overagers. But what if all 6 of them were born in 1992 and were too old for this WJC? The Jackets' draft suddenly would have become unsuccesfull?
Of course it does. It shows how well you've been (or have not been) drafting. Most WJC players end up having long and successful NHL careers. Some obviously don't, but I'd rather have a prospect that is considered top 20 in their country - especially a country like Canada, USA, Finland, Sweden, Russia etc. - versus a player that is unable to make the team.

The WJC is the benchmark tournament for determining success for 18 and 19-year-olds.

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Of course it does. It shows how well you've been (or have not been) drafting. Most WJC players end up having long and successful NHL careers. Some obviously don't, but I'd rather have a prospect that is considered top 20 in their country - especially a country like Canada, USA, Finland, Sweden, Russia etc. - versus a player that is unable to make the team.

The WJC is the benchmark tournament for determining success for 18 and 19-year-olds.
If by most you mean the majority, then you could not be more wrong. The number is well below 20%.

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12-23-2012, 06:51 PM
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If by most you mean the majority, then you could not be more wrong. The number is well below 20%.
What's the number for Team Canada and Team USA? Obviously no one expects the majority of players (if any) from Latvia, Germany, Switzerland, Kazakhstan, Belarus etc. to make the NHL.

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12-23-2012, 06:57 PM
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Of course it does. It shows how well you've been (or have not been) drafting. Most WJC players end up having long and successful NHL careers. Some obviously don't, but I'd rather have a prospect that is considered top 20 in their country - especially a country like Canada, USA, Finland, Sweden, Russia etc. - versus a player that is unable to make the team.

The WJC is the benchmark tournament for determining success for 18 and 19-year-olds.
Amount means nothing. If one NHL team has 10 prospects on Latvian or German rosters and another got just a couple of top-line forwards on the Canada team - who drafted better? Also some prospects are injured (Zinanejad, Murray), some were born a couple month later ect.

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If by most you mean the majority, then you could not be more wrong. The number is well below 20%.
This guy is right. However, this year might be a bit of a blip for the US and Canada in particular. In Canada's case it's obvious that a handful of these guys wouldn't be made available if there was no lockout, and they wouldn't be in the CHL still. Even for the US, I think there are a few guys that might have signed if the lockout didn't seem imminent (Trouba comes to mind).

I think it's beyond disingenous to suggest drafting WJC players means you're good at drafting (The Bruins got Lars Volden in the 7th round two years ago AFTER being selected the best goaltender at the 2010 WJC), but I also think the number of future NHLers on the US and Canada rosters is markedly higher than 20% in most years, and especially this year.

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12-23-2012, 07:15 PM
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Anaheim has 4 but arguably should've been 5. USA could use Kerdiles.

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12-23-2012, 08:17 PM
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Blackhawks have 4:

Canada: Danault, McNeill
Finland: Teravainen
Russia: Shalunov

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Devils only have Pietila cause Matteau was cut and Boucher wasn't called in for the camp.

Aside from that the Devils had Gavrus in the D-1A.

Does any team not have any prospects in the tournament?

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It's not. I think the Oilers have some damn fine prospects in the tournament. Still doesn't change the fact that you got them the easy way. We on the other hand, have actually had to do some drafting.
Musil: 2nd round. Rieder: 4th round. Gernat: 5th round. Zharkov: 3rd round. How were those guys gotten the 'easy way'?

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Devils only have Pietila cause Matteau was cut and Boucher wasn't called in for the camp.

Aside from that the Devils had Gavrus in the D-1A.

Does any team not have any prospects in the tournament?
Vancouver

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It's not. I think the Oilers have some damn fine prospects in the tournament. Still doesn't change the fact that you got them the easy way. We on the other hand, have actually had to do some drafting.


Keep grasping at those straws my friend.

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Devils only have Pietila cause Matteau was cut and Boucher wasn't called in for the camp.

Aside from that the Devils had Gavrus in the D-1A.

Does any team not have any prospects in the tournament?
Vancouver doesn't, as Corrado was snubbed.

Does San Jose have any either?

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Tampa has 5.

Russia: A.Vasilevski, N.Kucherov, A.Sergeev, N.Nesterov
Swiss: T.Richard
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I would honestly take Reider, Klefbom, Gernat, and Musil; none of whom are high draft picks caused by our tank seasons over any of the flame prospects in the tournament. I didnt expect this to be a stealth anti-oiler thread.
Gaudreau >>>> all those prospects.


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