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Which team has the most prospects at the WJC?

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12-23-2012, 11:59 PM
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Gaudreau >>>> all those prospects.
Based on......


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12-24-2012, 12:13 AM
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Vancouver doesn't, as Corrado was snubbed.

Does San Jose have any either?
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12-24-2012, 12:25 AM
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12-24-2012, 12:31 AM
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Canada: Danault & McNeill
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Russia: Shalunov

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Alright you keep telling yourself that.
Sorry, but he's right

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12-24-2012, 12:51 AM
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Calgary has 5. Could've been six, but Brossoit got the short end of the stick from Team Canada.



Team USA (3): F Johnny Gaudreau, G Jon Gillies, D Patrick Seiloff.
Team Finland (1): C Markus Granlund.
Team Canada (1): D Tyler Wotherspoon.

So much for the cupboards being bare.
Lol?

Gaudreau is an undersized skilled forward, and at 5 7" is an extreme long shot to become a serviceable top 6 forward in the NHL. Theres no denying his talent, but look around the league and tell me how many guys not named Martin St Louis (who's built a lot thicker than Gaudreau) are effective at that size?

Seiloff will likely be cut if Connor Murphy is healthy and able to play.

Wotherspoon is a decent prospect, nothing fancy, but projects as a reliable 2nd or 3rd pair dman.

Gilles is a nice prospect with good potential, though he was drafted in a mid round and has yet to prove anything, so he's got a long way ahead of him to go to becoming a pro.

Granlund is undersized and projects as a borderline second liner. Personally I don't believe he has the offensive tools to warrant top 6, so I think he ends up as a 3rd liner who can fill in on the 2nd line as needed - think Chris Higgins.

Some mid grade decent prospects, but certainly nothing to brag about...

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12-24-2012, 12:52 AM
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Two "bottom pairing" defensemen on two of the favoured teams to win the Gold Medal. Think about all the guys they beat out, some even former 1st round draft picks. And Gillies is only 18. Don't be surprised if he's Team USA's #1 goaltender next year.

Funny how you failed to mention Gaudreau - who'll be USA's go-to guy offensively - and Granlund, another go-to guy.
I didn't mention Gaudreau and Granlund because I don't have a problem with you being proud of them...

But seriously, Flames fans need to back off of WJC as validation of their prospects.

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Vancouver doesn't, as Corrado was snubbed.

Does San Jose have any either?
Two, Sean Kuraly for the US, and Tomas Hertl for the Czechs. Feels nice to have a better prospect pool than Vancouver.

(I kid, I kid. )

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12-24-2012, 01:08 AM
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But seriously, Flames fans need to back off of WJC as validation of their prospects.
Seriously, because even if prospects become more validated by a high level performance in this event...I say congrats, and Jack Campbell says hi.

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12-24-2012, 01:15 AM
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Devils only have Pietila cause Matteau was cut and Boucher wasn't called in for the camp.

Aside from that the Devils had Gavrus in the D-1A.

Does any team not have any prospects in the tournament?
Kings

Trades, low draft picks, drafting college players, and the selection of overagers have pretty much made the WJCs a non-event for Kings fans.

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Trades, low draft picks, drafting college players, and the selection of overagers have pretty much made the WJCs a non-event for Kings fans.
Yes, they do. Hyka. Maybe other ones, as well, I don't know.

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Seriously, because even if prospects become more validated by a high level performance in this event...I say congrats, and Jack Campbell says hi.
Campbell is just one example. I remember John Ramage had a great tourney a few years back, but hasn't really developed since. There are countless examples of players who had a great 6-7 games, but then fell into mediocrity. 6-7 games is a tiny sample size.

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12-24-2012, 02:00 AM
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I'm pretty sure the Oilers would win this if they didn't have so many injured prospects.
I'm going to add their draft ranks here, just to shut up those who say we only get good prospects the "easy way."

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: CAN (captain) - 1st round (1st overall)
Nail Yakupov: RUS (captain) - 1st round (1st overall)
David Musil: CZE (captain) - 2nd round (31st overall)
Daniil Zharkov: RUS - 3rd round (91st overall)

Injured:

Oscar Klefbom: SWE (would've been captain) - 1st round (19th overall)
Tobias Rieder: GER (would've been captain) - 4th round (114th overall)
Martin Gernat: SVK (would've been captain) - 5th round (122nd overall)

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12-25-2012, 10:51 AM
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Gaudreau >>>> all those prospects.
You mean 5'6" Gaudreau? Lets be honest here, he has LOADS of talent, but will be facing a heck of an uphill climb to have any modicum of NHL success. It takes a very special type of little player to make a big impact.

That being said, I suspect he will have a great tourney. The shutdown D in a junior tournament wont be able to deal with his speed yet like a big league D man would.

As an Oiler fan I have become extremely used to seeing undersized forwards fail to hang on in the NHL.

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You mean 5'6" Gaudreau? Lets be honest here, he has LOADS of talent, but will be facing a heck of an uphill climb to have any modicum of NHL success. It takes a very special type of little player to make a big impact.

That being said, I suspect he will have a great tourney. The shutdown D in a junior tournament wont be able to deal with his speed yet like a big league D man would.

As an Oiler fan I have become extremely used to seeing undersized forwards fail to hang on in the NHL.
Tedenby, Omark.

Both those guys have an unreal amount of offensive talent, but they've gotten absolutely nowhere in the NHL. It's really hard for small guys to pull it off unless they are suprisingly physical (see both Gionta brothers), they score like there's no tomorrow (St. Louis), or if they are very good defensive players.

If Gadreau is all offense, it'll be tough for him to make it.

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Tampa has 5.

Russia: A.Vasilevski, N.Kucherov, A.Sergeev, N.Nesterov
Swiss: T.Richard
Good to see drafting all those Russian players has paid off for them.

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World Juniors players are not neccesarily better prospects, it simply means they are better junior age players (and there is a big difference between being a good junior player and being a good prospect, although they aren`t mutually exclusive qualities)

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Good to see drafting all those Russian players has paid off for them.
They didn't even draft Sergeev, just signed him as an undrafted UFA.

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Calgary has 5. Could've been six, but Brossoit got the short end of the stick from Team Canada.



Team USA (3): F Johnny Gaudreau, G Jon Gillies, D Patrick Seiloff.
Team Finland (1): C Markus Granlund.
Team Canada (1): D Tyler Wotherspoon.

So much for the cupboards being bare.
Calgary has 4. Could have been 20 if the Flames signed 16 undrafted UFAs from any team.
Looks like someone jinxed Sieloff. He's NOT on the team USA opening day roster.

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