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Nick Schultz + Paajarvi + Omark package?

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12-31-2012, 02:27 PM
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There is more than Linus Omark who couldn't crack Edmontons top six as a winger.

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12-31-2012, 04:36 PM
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There is more than Linus Omark who couldn't crack Edmontons top six as a winger.
There are guys playing top line winger on other teams that wouldn't make Edmonton's top six. Our one overwhelming strength is wingers.

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So? Paajarvi was one of the youngest players ever to enter the SEL and the youngest to play for them in the WJC.

He has tons of potential, he just does not have a spot in our top 6.

Nyquist is older than Eberle and can't even crack Detroit's top 6.

As an Avalanche fan, your opinions are not even relevant to this thread...
Detroit's projected depth chart says hello.

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Detroit's projected depth chart says hello.
He wouldn't crack Edmonton's top six either.

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The poster said Nyquist can't even crack Detroit's top 6. Detroit has him penciled in as 2nd line LW. That's all. Nothing about him cracking Oilers top 6.

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Detroit's projected depth chart says hello.
I'm pretty sure he was saying he still hasn't. Not that he never will

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I'm pretty sure he was saying he still hasn't. Not that he never will


Again, he's projected THIS season (if there is one), but that's besides the point. Help me understand something else regarding the Yakupov thread. Why would you guys trade him when you could have just traded the pick pre-draft in the first place?

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Again, he's projected THIS season (if there is one), but that's besides the point. Help me understand something else regarding the Yakupov thread. Why would you guys trade him when you could have just traded the pick pre-draft in the first place?
Yes, but he hasn't made the team YET. We wouldn't trade him despite what a couple posters propose from time to time

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What can Edmonton get for a package of Nick Schultz, Magnus Paajarvi and Linus Omark?
Phil Kessel?

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Nick Schultz is a null offensive player, null physical player, who plays against second-tier opponents and still ends up with a -7 Rel Corsi. Oilers fans are just impressed with him because he looked better than he was due to an unsustainable on-ice save percentage of .940%.

You don't pay those types of players $3.5M.
Let's see how much fail i can point out in this post.

Nick Schultz is not a huge hitter but he's very physical. He puts constant pressure on opponents and plays a warriors game. This is such nonsense i don't even know what to say to you.

Nick Schultz doesn't play "2nd tier opponents" he plays all opponents which averages out to "2nd tier", in the last minute of a game when the Oilers have the lead you better believe Nick Schultz will be out there.

Now here is the really dissapointing thing and it's really shameful that you use stats in this way because it makes them hard to justify on here when people pick and choose what they mention. Nick Schultz had a negative Relcorsi for a damn good reason and i know you know it, as we've discussed "the importance of zone starts" before. Schultz started in his own a whopping 56% of the time and on two of the worst teams in the league to boot, this as you know is a very reasonable cause for his negative RelCorsi. This as you may not know is a very good explanation for his QoC, Schultz being used as a Dzone specialist will see lesser competiton from time to time especially because often times an opposing coach will get his bottom lines out for the relatively easier offensive zone draws. Coaches also get their offensive stars out for these draws too, and Schultz is out for those sorties too. This is partially why his QoC averages out to second tier.

Schultz is certainly a defensive specialist but he's not as bad offensively as you'd like to claim. As we've discussed before we know that zonestarts very much effect offensive stats, this is a huge detriment to Schultz's offensive stats. Also Nick Schultz does not play on the PP, this means nearly all his points come at evens. In Schultz's career he's averaged 14 points per 82 games, and presumably virtually them all at evens. Last year 22 EV strength points would have been top 30 for defenseman, and of the top 30 very few would have delt with the zonestart Schultz did. 14 points would have been tied for 92nd in the league with such players as: Erik Johnson, Liles, Zidlicky, Souray, Franson, Voynov, Stralman, Fayne, ect... In other words numerous offensive defenseman bring the same amount of offense at evens as Schultz does, and many of these players do not have the difficult zonestarts. Even Fedor Tytuin an excellent player was only able to muster 13 points at evens. Schutlz's offense relative to his role is in fact rather respectable.

Also Nick Schultz has a reputation as a quality defensive dman for his years of solid work, this has always showed up in advanced stats. Here is an article from Copper and Blue a site that specializes in using advanced stats. This BTW was written while Schutz was a member of Minny still and goes back multiple years. The results according to the advanced stats are in fact the exact opposite of "horrible" and are in fact excellent. Here's the link:

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/6/23...t-nick-schultz

Please stop abusing advanced stats, you are really making it hard for them to be legitimized. Why do you so conveniently ignore things?


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01-01-2013, 06:15 PM
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Why would Linus have more value than Magnus? Magnus can actually play in a bottom 6 role, Linus is top 6 or bust. If you're going to use stats to say otherwise Linus is playing with Zetterberg (P/G NHL forward) & Brunner (Premier scorer in the NLA) in the Swiss League.
Omark was scoring at his pace before Zetterburg arrived. At any other level short of the NHL Omark is unarguably an offensive star in his own right.

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Phil Kessel?
We have 0 use for any of those players listed.

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01-01-2013, 07:08 PM
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We have 0 use for any of those players listed.
At the expense of Kessel, I would agree but Schultz would certainly make your lineup and Pajaarvi may as well. The Oilers don`t really need Kessel either, we`re loaded with wingers. They'd likely only do that deal if they could flip Kessel to fill another whole on the roster.

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01-01-2013, 08:00 PM
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There is more than Linus Omark who couldn't crack Edmontons top six as a winger.
He is 25, small and on his way to a successful career....in Europe.

Even though he has chemistry with two Red Wings in the Swiss league there is no room on the Red wing roster for him.

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01-23-2013, 07:19 PM
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Nick Schultz is a null offensive player, null physical player, who plays against second-tier opponents and still ends up with a -7 Rel Corsi. Oilers fans are just impressed with him because he looked better than he was due to an unsustainable on-ice save percentage of .940%.

You don't pay those types of players $3.5M.
Your lack of knowledge of Nick Schultz has been exposed. I have been watching him play hockey since he was four years old. You know nothing about Nick Schultz. He is all of those things and more, plus he is a tremendous leader and a top-notch person to have in your community.

In short, you have nothing to say about Nick Schultz.

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01-23-2013, 07:49 PM
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Your lack of knowledge of Nick Schultz has been exposed. I have been watching him play hockey since he was four years old. You know nothing about Nick Schultz. He is all of those things and more, plus he is a tremendous leader and a top-notch person to have in your community.

In short, you have nothing to say about Nick Schultz.

The Oilers traded Gilbert for Schultz, and he's an alternate captain and been our only solid defenseman over the first two games. I doubt he's moved anytime soon, despite the $3.5M cap hit. He'll probably hold down a Jason Smith type role for us for the next few years.

Too soon to assume value for Paajarvi, he has to become an NHL regular first, and has some promise as a 3rd line winger. Revisit that next offseason.

Omark and the Oilers brass have both burned bridges, and he won't be back. He'll stay in Zug the rest of the season and either his rights will be traded for a mid level draft pick or he'll play in the KHL until he's a UFA and resurface in North America in a few years. Kinda sucks, the kid has real potential. Sad that the Oilers value conformity and stern commitment to defensive play to raw skill with a bit of an attitude. Hopefully that won't happen again with Yakupov.

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Pajaarvi is a very good prospect, who had a solid rookie year and didn`t have a spot last year. He`ll be a very good player for someone, whether or not that is the Oilers remains to be seen. Omark is worthless.

For the Oilers, the only way making a N. Schultz + Pajaarvi deal would make any sense would be for a similar player to Schultz, who is an upgrade. Or possibly a 2nd line center, but that's probably not available at all.

PRV isn't a prospect anymore. He had a solid rookie season and then couldn't play for a team that got the number one overall pick last year. He isn't a very good player. If anything, he is a suspect player until he proves otherwise. At least you said Omark is worthless, because he is.

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PRV isn't a prospect anymore. He had a solid rookie season and then couldn't play for a team that got the number one overall pick last year. He isn't a very good player. If anything, he is a suspect player until he proves otherwise. At least you said Omark is worthless, because he is.
I don't see what makes him not a prospect, other than your joy in picking fights with Oiler fans. For the record, he wasn't really given a shot on the Oilers last year. Why? Because the Oilers, for all of their faults as a team, didn't have room for him in the top six because of their overwhelming depth on the wings, and they needed grittier players like Eager, Petrell and Jones in the bottom six. He is still a prospect, as he is still developing as a player and still will likely be an NHL'er one day.

Omark isn't worthless as a player either, but considering his status as an NHL/AHL'er who is playing in Europe, and other teams not wanting to give assets on a gamble, he is worthless in terms of trade value.

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