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03-03-2013, 10:53 AM
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Good news for Turris is Spezza is usually healthy and will probably never be traded.

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Good news for Turris is Spezza is usually healthy and will probably never be traded.
Problem is Zibanejad. If he pushes Turris into a 3rd line role will Turris be able to adapt his style of play to where he's effective? Turris still needs to cement his "spot" in the lineup as THE second line center of that franchise. I don't think he's done that yet.

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Problem is Zibanejad. If he pushes Turris into a 3rd line role will Turris be able to adapt his style of play to where he's effective? Turris still needs to cement his "spot" in the lineup as THE second line center of that franchise. I don't think he's done that yet.
Hope he never does. I just despise players like Turris and ROR.

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For those of you advocating getting rid of Yandle:

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1467

Second best in the league in zone exits? As Tippett is quoted in the article; the reason he isn't defending as much as some others is because he doesn't need to because he is the second best defender in the league at zone exits, the only one that were better was the Norris winner.

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For those of you advocating getting rid of Yandle:

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1467

Second best in the league in zone exits? As Tippett is quoted in the article; the reason he isn't defending as much as some others is because he doesn't need to because he is the second best defender in the league at zone exits, the only one that were better was the Norris winner.
good article. wonder which D man Tippett ran out of town.

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Second best in the league in zone exits? As Tippett is quoted in the article; the reason he isn't defending as much as some others is because he doesn't need to because he is the second best defender in the league at zone exits, the only one that were better was the Norris winner.
The thing about stats are that they cut both ways. You could just as easily gain the 5 or 10 percent you lose by upgrading the existing D, choosing his replacement carefully or better coaching. If you took away the skating ability of Karlsson or Yandle, their percentages drop and become more pedestrian. Of note is that the % doesn't differentiate between carried out or passed out of the zone. Yandle could have such a higher % because he is generally expected to always carry it out, at least to the redline. Other teams pass out more and rely on forwards.

Stats are great and all, but they can be influenced by so many outside factors as to be useless. I wouldn't call Yandle the second best offensive D anymore than I'd call Grant Clitsome an elite pucking moving D.

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If you took away the skating ability of Karlsson or Yandle, their percentages drop and become more pedestrian.
The Matt Cooke Hypothesis

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Analyst: Daniel Briere would be a good fit with the Phoenix Coyotes

http://arizonasports.com/?sid=1614883&nid=132

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Analyst: Daniel Briere would be a good fit with the Phoenix Coyotes

http://arizonasports.com/?sid=1614883&nid=132
i suggested the same thing months ago

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How do you pay him? 6.5 mil, plus two more seasons
What do you give up for him? Philly wants that salary gone, primarily

I'd be okay with it as a rental, to be dealt again at the draft. But I'm curious to see how you pay OEL, Smith, Briere and Boedker without moving Yandle or Doan (or both)

You can't. So if he was for some sort of moonshot playoff run, I dig.

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How do you pay him? 6.5 mil, plus two more seasons
What do you give up for him? Philly wants that salary gone, primarily

I'd be okay with it as a rental, to be dealt again at the draft. But I'm curious to see how you pay OEL, Smith, Briere and Boedker without moving Yandle or Doan (or both)

You can't. So if he was for some sort of moonshot playoff run, I dig.
salary next year is 3 mill. the year after it is 2 million.

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Sam Gagner Ales Hemsky for Yandle Vermette??

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OEL-Michalek
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good article. wonder which D man Tippett ran out of town.
Philippe Boucher?

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Sam Gagner Ales Hemsky for Yandle Vermette??

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Johnson-Chipchura-Brown

OEL-Michalek
Gormley-Morris
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Not something that I think Maloney would pursue. We would demand more than what's being offered. I like the skill level of Hemskey and Gagner. It's a question of fit in a Dave Tippett team coupled with the financial impact on our ability to extend OEL and Smith. We are looking for a C with size and skill for Yandle. It's likely why we turned the Oilers down already on Gagner.

i also need to comment about Vermette. Vermette is a top face off guy in the league. He's elite amongst centers (top 5 at over 60%) in that category. Vermette can also play in any situation which makes him very valuable in a Dave Tippett system. Gagner doesn't even crack the top 100 centers in that category with his 41.3% winning percentage. Just not a fit.

Ironically I proposed a Hemsky, Gagner, and MPS for Yandle and a contract/salary idea months ago. I still like the forward skill but hate the fit. Adding Vermette and subtracting MPS makes it a easy no.


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If you took away the skating ability of Karlsson or Yandle, their percentages drop and become more pedestrian.
...yeah, but you know what?

When you evaluate a player you're not really supposed to take away some of their greatest strengths.


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...yeah, but you know what?

When you evaluate a player you're not really supposed to take away some of their greatest strengths.
it's important when we are determining the relevance of metrics.


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it's important when we are determining the relevance of metrics.
And Smith would be a pretty awful goaltender if he didn't have a left hand.

It's very important when considering saves stats, you know!


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And Smith would be a pretty awful goaltender if he didn't have a left hand.

It's very important when considering saves stats, you know!
The two are nothing alike which nicely explains why you think that article (or that measure) is relevant to discussing a potential Yandle trade. I'd be many magnitudes more impressed if someone who didn't have the breakout built around him showed up on that list, like Z.

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Analyst: Daniel Briere would be a good fit with the Phoenix Coyotes

http://arizonasports.com/?sid=1614883&nid=132
*sigh* Chris Gratton thanks for reminding me

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Problem is Zibanejad. If he pushes Turris into a 3rd line role will Turris be able to adapt his style of play to where he's effective? Turris still needs to cement his "spot" in the lineup as THE second line center of that franchise. I don't think he's done that yet.
I would LOVE to see Zibanejad one up him on the depth chart, just to see how Kyle would react to having to battle for his top 6 minutes instead of having icetime handed to him. Maybe he'll finally man up and get dirty to earn his minutes, but my bet is that he'll just pout and whine until Ottawa makes him pack up his super-special favorite pair of Batman jammies that mommy and daddy bought for him, and dumps him on another team.

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Q: How can we fit Briere, retain almost everyone, and go for it on our budget?
A: This is how

1. Trade Vermette and Yandle (to Philly or anywhere with a desirable, cheap RFA center) for Briere + RFA (Laughton or Cousins)
2. Trade Klesla for Jussi Jokinen
3. Sign Grant Clitsome or some other D to replace Yandle's offense (or make it the year of the Gormley)
4. Go for it

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FORWARDS
Jussi Jokinen ($3.000m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Shane Doan ($5.300m)
Mikkel Boedker ($3.200m) / Martin Hanzal ($3.100m) / Radim Vrbata ($3.000m)
Chris Brown ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / David Moss ($2.100m)
Lauri Korpikoski ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.625m) / Kyle Chipchura ($0.675m)
Paul Bissonnette ($0.738m) / Nick Johnson ($0.725m)

DEFENSEMEN
Oliver E.-Larsson ($4.851m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
David Schlemko ($1.188m) / Derek Morris ($2.750m)
Grant Clitsome ($2.550m) / Michael Stone ($1.000m)
Chris Summers ($0.843m) /

GOALTENDERS
Mike Smith ($4.000m)
Chad Johnson ($0.600m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000;
CAP PAYROLL: $55,838,913;
ACTUAL PAYROLL: $52,500,000 or so, below this year

Probably low on Boeds, Smith and OEL. But it's close.

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Skill set aside, another positive of Sean Couturier is that he was born in Phoenix. I think the team can market that fact.

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Haha. Wait, what? How are we getting BOTH Briere AND Couturier in that proposal?

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Sam Gagner Ales Hemsky for Yandle Vermette??

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Boedker-Hanzal-Vrbata
Korpikoski-Gordon-Moss
Johnson-Chipchura-Brown

OEL-Michalek
Gormley-Morris
Stone-Klesla
You aren't even half way to close value.

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