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Occupy Movement - Domestic Terrorism?

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12-24-2012, 04:58 PM
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Occupy Movement - Domestic Terrorism?

According to documents obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice under FOIA, the FBI seems to have classed the Occupy with other groups such as Anonymous and the Aryan Nation as domestic terror threats.

One person's terrorist is another person's civil libertarian?
Now that it's been over a year since the Occupy movement swept across the country, FOIA requests are being fulfilled, revealing uncomfortable details about how authorities viewed the protestors. One such request by the Partnership for Civil Justice came through this weekend, and the 112 heavily redacted pages reveal that the FBI approached the Occupy Wall Street protests as "criminal activity" -- which is not terribly surprising -- and investigated the groups as perpetrators of "domestic terrorism" -- which is fairly unsettling. More specifically, the Feds enlisted its own as well as local terrorism task forces in nine different cities across the country to investigate Occupy. In Memphis, the group was lumped together with Anonymous and the Aryan Nation in discussing the threat of "domestic terrorism." White supremacists and 99 Percenters aren't really two groups that we think about hand-in-hand but whatever.

This isn't the first time that a FOIA request has shown the FBI to have engaged in some suspicious activity around the Occupy movement. In September, a FOIA request from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) showed extensive surveillance of the movement's prominent players, leading ACLU attorney Linda Lye to ask, "Why does a political protest amount to a national security threat?" The FBI denied the surveillance accusations by saying that its investigation did not include "unnecessary intrusions into the lives of law-abiding people" and that its prohibited from investigating Americans "solely for the purpose of monitoring activities protected by the First Amendment or the lawful exercise of other rights." Of course, if you classify the actions as "domestic terrorism," other rules apply.
http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-treated-oc...021450389.html

Here is the press release from the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF):
The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted documents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country.
“This production, which we believe is just the tip of the iceberg, is a window into the nationwide scope of the FBI’s surveillance, monitoring, and reporting on peaceful protestors organizing with the Occupy movement,” stated Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF). “These documents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity. These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America.”

“The documents are heavily redacted, and it is clear from the production that the FBI is withholding far more material. We are filing an appeal challenging this response and demanding full disclosure to the public of the records of this operation,” stated Heather Benno, staff attorney with the PCJF.
http://www.justiceonline.org/comment...files-ows.html

And the documents obtained pursuant to the PCJF’s Freedom of Information Act requests:
http://www.justiceonline.org/comment...html#documents

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How the hell does Occupy get classified as a terrorist threat and something like Westboro doesn't?

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Occupy pisses of people with huge wealth,lobbies, westboro piss off people with any sensibilities,no lobbies, who wins that one?

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Well let's get technical.

Occupy wants to get money out of politics. Commendable; but to those who rule it's a threat.
This isn't really a conspiracy thing. Those who have been steering the country more or less in the background (Koch Brothers) are afraid of movements like Occupy would be successful.

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How the hell does Occupy get classified as a terrorist threat and something like Westboro doesn't?
I hate to say anything positive about Westboro, but they really don't have a history of being violent. Certainly repulsive and a threat to themselves, simply because the rhetoric and the style/location in which they deliver it is so hateful. But I'd say that the Occupy Movement is probably more of a terrorist threat, simply because some of the people who will latch onto Occupy are anarchists who just want an excuse to become violent. Westboro should be classified as a hate group, though.

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I hate to say anything positive about Westboro, but they really don't have a history of being violent. Certainly repulsive and a threat to themselves, simply because the rhetoric and the style/location in which they deliver it is so hateful. But I'd say that the Occupy Movement is probably more of a terrorist threat, simply because some of the people who will latch onto Occupy are anarchists who just want an excuse to become violent. Westboro should be classified as a hate group, though.
Wouldn't the people who "latch" on to Occupy be considered the "terrorists" then and not the actual movement itself?

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I hate to say anything positive about Westboro, but they really don't have a history of being violent. Certainly repulsive and a threat to themselves, simply because the rhetoric and the style/location in which they deliver it is so hateful. But I'd say that the Occupy Movement is probably more of a terrorist threat, simply because some of the people who will latch onto Occupy are anarchists who just want an excuse to become violent. Westboro should be classified as a hate group, though.
Wouldn't it be the same with Westboro. Those who latch onto Westboro are guys that want to kill doctors, and gays?

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Wouldn't the people who "latch" on to Occupy be considered the "terrorists" then and not the actual movement itself?
The problem is that Occupy knows who these people are but don't do much to keep them out. Its about numbers.

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Wouldn't it be the same with Westboro. Those who latch onto Westboro are guys that want to kill doctors, and gays?
Nobody latches onto Westboro, though. They protest at funerals of children and soldiers who die under tragic circumstances. They are pretty much their own organization and have never really been associated with violent extremist groups.

There were isolated incidents of violence associated with the Occupy movement, like in Oakland (which had more to do with a local police shooting than with any outrage toward wealthy bankers).

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Seems a bit crazy to classify them as a terrorist orginization but whatever...Not really sure that Westboro should be classified as anything other then crazies.

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One could argue that the Occupy movement is an insidious form of terrorism, with the way they want to damage society by supporting higher taxes on the wealthy and greater regulation of the economy.

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Nobody latches onto Westboro, though. They protest at funerals of children and soldiers who die under tragic circumstances. They are pretty much their own organization and have never really been associated with violent extremist groups.

There were isolated incidents of violence associated with the Occupy movement, like in Oakland (which had more to do with a local police shooting than with any outrage toward wealthy bankers).
I agree with this.

I have no problem with this listing. It;s only meant to monitor Occupy and the various spinoffs.

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One could argue that the Occupy movement is an insidious form of terrorism, with the way they want to damage society by supporting higher taxes on the wealthy and greater regulation of the economy.
Damage society does not fit in with higher taxes or regulation considering low taxes and deregulation ****ed this country beyond belief.

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Damage society does not fit in with higher taxes or regulation considering low taxes and deregulation ****ed this country beyond belief.
I am afraid there isn't an anti-anti-sarcasm emoticon.

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One could argue that the Occupy movement is an insidious form of terrorism, with the way they want to damage society by supporting higher taxes on the wealthy and greater regulation of the economy.
So basically both political parites could also be classified as insidious terrorist orginizaitons.

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Tim is becoming AP with better grammar.

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One could argue that the Occupy movement is an insidious form of terrorism, with the way they want to damage society by supporting higher taxes on the wealthy and greater regulation of the economy.
One could but then one would be a wack-a-doodle.

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Occupy are nothing but a bunch of dirty hippies who need to get a job and gtfo of traffic lanes.

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I'm not sure what you mean, but everyone should try harder

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I was referring to his weak trolling attempt.

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Damage society does not fit in with higher taxes or regulation considering low taxes and deregulation ****ed this country beyond belief.
A lot of people would argue that the biggest deregulation of all was the lack of the free market in the bailouts. You had people predicting the collapse in like 2002 beginning with the outrageous policies of freddie and fannie. Without the fed bailing them out, they would never had been so irresponsible because of the fear of bankruptcy.
I cannot believe that the wallstreet movement could be considered terrorism. However, now people can be detained indefinitely without trial pursuant to s.1021 of the NDAA act. If I were an American I would be leaving the country immediately.

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that's good, because us Americans prefer that people like you leave the country immediately.

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that's good, because us Americans prefer that people like you leave the country immediately.
I enjoy living in Canada where I have the right to habeas corpus; a right that goes back to the Magna Carta. Unfortunately, that is no longer a guarenteed and absolute right for Americans with the NDAA.

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