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So will there be a season?

View Poll Results: Will there be a season?
Yes the players and owners will come to their senses and come to an agreement 18 24.00%
Nah, neither side has the common sense to see what is good for them 57 76.00%
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12-23-2012, 01:25 AM
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So will there be a season?

So as of today there are 48 games left. We are rapidly approaching the halfway point of the season. Which actually will occur about a week and a half into the new year. So it is a good time to take a simple poll. Will there or won't there be a season, albeit abreviated? And as a bonus question, what do you feel is the drop dead cutoff point after which a season would be impossible? Halfway? 20 games? 16 like the NFL has? 10? Are we past it now?

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12-23-2012, 01:43 AM
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Both sides have way too much too lose... also, they were so close last time... I voted yes very confidently.

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12-23-2012, 05:31 AM
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If either side had an once of common sense, this would have been done with much earlier. I'm not expecting to see 'common sense' to come around anytime soon.

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It blows my mind that anyone can even have hope for a season any more. To me, voting yes is unthinkable at this time.

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12-23-2012, 06:38 AM
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If either side had an once of common sense, this would have been done with much earlier. I'm not expecting to see 'common sense' to come around anytime soon.
Common sense has been locked out too. Only 22 players voted against the NHLPA disclaimer of interest. Yeah go ahead and dissolve the union. No more CBA, no more guaranteed contracts, no more minimum salaries and no pensions. How could this ever harm more than 22 players out of some 750, right? Fehr must have been handing out the kool-aid by the gallon. I don't see this drama end anytime soon.

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12-23-2012, 07:02 AM
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The hope I have for them to come back goes down every single day.

The players did this by hiring Fehr. The owners retaliated by offering them a lowball offer. Both sides are sickening.

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12-23-2012, 09:17 AM
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As much as both sides stubbornly have stuck to thier hardline positions, i feel one or both will compromise in the end to play half a season(Theres still 2Billion plus dollars up for grabs total for half a season). Theres still the question of how far Fehr is willing to take it cuz no one knows what his real end goal is. The owners end goal is clear but they are asking for a bit too much. I believe the league will bring in things like 1 amnesty buyout per team and move the contract years to 6/8 or so but like i said what does Fehr and the PA do then? Thats the ultimate question.

ETA: The absolute cutoff point for me is January.18th. They can't play 48 games past that point and they won't play any less than that. Most will tell you the date is more like January.10th though.

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12-23-2012, 09:21 AM
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There will be a season. I'm sure of it. These are all tactics to get a better deal. Daly said this week that. There will be one. The NHLPA's vote to dissolve the association is only a tactic to show the owners that themes business and a couple of players voiced their intentions about it. The NFL and NBA did the same thing and I believe it reinitiated negotiations and the NBA ended up agreeing to terms 10 days after.

Relax.

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12-23-2012, 09:30 AM
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The thing that needs to happen is that neither side can "win." It has to be a structure that sets up for future negotiations where hopefully new CBA's can very quickly and easily be passed and we don't have to go through this stuff again.

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Yes there will be.The sides are just too close. They can't agree on contract lengths. If THAT is the main reason there is no deal, everyone should be gone Bettman,Daly and Fehr brothers

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I'd like to think so, but given the fact that it's nearly January, I'm not holding my breath.

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The sides are not close, Fehr added a bunch of stuff after the owners and players got close. The PA is once again seriously underestimating the owners will. It's all doom and gloom if you ask me.

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Strange to say it but I'm actually hoping that they don't have a season. They have to learn that lock outs aren't the way to settle anything and when the league does have a lock out it means that its a complete and utter failure. Just another reason to laugh at the NHL.

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Pride is taking this one over. I say the season is cancelled.

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I still think there will be a deal at the last minute. They're close, but the owners feel they went farther than need be. Tough to negotiate off of that.

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The plan has always been to drag it out as long as possible. Both sides have too much to lose by missing another season.

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I don't think so.

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I'd say in between Jan 10th and 20th is your best bet, they didn't start the 94/95 season until Feb.

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No, having a season would be a huge blow to Fehr's legacy. He will end up with a deal that he could of gotten a while beforehand but at the expense of losing a ton of paychecks along the way. The best option for Fehr to save face is to hold out the entire season and then be removed from his position. He can then say that he stuck to his guns but the players folded.

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Pride is taking this one over. I say the season is cancelled.
I'm starting to lean that way too.

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No, having a season would be a huge blow to Fehr's legacy. He will end up with a deal that he could of gotten a while beforehand but at the expense of losing a ton of paychecks along the way. The best option for Fehr to save face is to hold out the entire season and then be removed from his position. He can then say that he stuck to his guns but the players folded.
If you look at it from both sides perspective, losing the entire season is in both sides best interest "except" for those that depend on a season and the fans.

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Common sense has been locked out too. Only 22 players voted against the NHLPA disclaimer of interest. Yeah go ahead and dissolve the union. No more CBA, no more guaranteed contracts, no more minimum salaries and no pensions. How could this ever harm more than 22 players out of some 750, right? Fehr must have been handing out the kool-aid by the gallon. I don't see this drama end anytime soon.
This is the part the non-lawyer in me doesn't understand. How does dissolving the union help the players?

It almost seems ass backwards. If anything, it would be the owners who'd love it if there was no longer a player union. I know in other business sectors, employees with unions do a lot better than employees who don't have unions (for instance, my mom's workplace had a union and she had a lot more benefits and job security than my dad, whose workplace did not have a union to represent their interests).

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IMO this is going to end badly. There is unquestionably some hate in the players' tactics, not just typical negotiating stuff. Better than a 50/50 chance the season is done at this point. I'd put it around 65 / 35. The league will not announce more piecemeal cuts to the schedule. The next one will be all of it. Jan 14 is the current start date if they settle tomorrow. They need at least 4 or 5 days to get the legal stuff done if they start negotiating again and at least a week for players to gather and hold a camp. It's over IMO.

Only question now is if they both sue will this spill into next season and kill the NHL (which it would). BTW I'm canceling my Center Ice package (unless they're willing to give it to me for a couple bucks a month the rest of the way, should the season come back). FU NHL.

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As much as it pains me to say this....hell no.


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