Sorry to hear that because it makes zero sense. Gally gets three whole points in a blowout and Yak insults the Canadian team so now I guess Yakupov sucks right? You people blow my mind.
You misunderstand me. I am not saying Galchenyuk is WORTH more or less than Yakupov. I am also not basing anything off a single game. What I am saying is that Galchenyuk represents more of a pressing need for the Habs and would require more than Yakupov to get him out of our organization. I also stated that Edmonton would not do it. This is not an insult, it is a simple reality.
Yakupov does not "suck". He is the 1st overall from his draft class and should have a stellar career in the NHL. I would love to have him on the Habs. However, I would NOT love to have him at the expense of a Galchenyuk due to our organizational needs, Yakupov's concussion history, and (to a much lesser extent) the Russian factor. The price it would require to get Yakupov out of Edmonton would be too high for us to pay. The same is true if you wanted to pry Galchenyuk from the Habs' organization. I hope that is something easy to understand. I am not claiming Galchenyuk IS better (although I believe he WILL be), I am simply saying he represents more of an organizational need for our team and should not be traded for Yakupov.
You misunderstand me. I am not saying Galchenyuk is WORTH more or less than Yakupov. I am also not basing anything off a single game. What I am saying is that Galchenyuk represents more of a pressing need for the Habs and would require more than Yakupov to get him out of our organization. I also stated that Edmonton would not do it. This is not an insult, it is a simple reality.
Yakupov does not "suck". He is the 1st overall from his draft class and should have a stellar career in the NHL. I would love to have him on the Habs. However, I would NOT love to have him at the expense of a Galchenyuk due to our organizational needs, Yakupov's concussion history, and (to a much lesser extent) the Russian factor. The price it would require to get Yakupov out of Edmonton would be too high for us to pay. The same is true if you wanted to pry Galchenyuk from the Habs' organization. I hope that is something easy to understand. I am not claiming Galchenyuk IS better (although I believe he WILL be), I am simply saying he represents more of an organizational need for our team and should not be traded for Yakupov.
LOL! So says the guy with the Gally avatar. No bias there........
Look, I am an Oiler fan and would have rather the Oil traded down and selected Gally based on team need, but they didn't. That said, you cannot argue Yak being ranked #1 ALL year long. He was ranked #1 all year long for a reason, he is the top ranked guy coming out of the 12 draft. If there were times when it went another way then fine, he may not be the top guy in the 12 draft, but it went all year long. The only guy that was even mentioned as another possibility was Murray.
I don't have a bad thing to say about Gally, but when you actually pick 1st in a draft, you pick the best player available and that guy is Yak. I watched both in the OHL and ignoring position, Yak is the better player between the 2. Nothing else to really say.
LOL! So says the guy with the Gally avatar. No bias there........
Look, I am an Oiler fan and would have rather the Oil traded down and selected Gally based on team need, but they didn't. That said, you cannot argue Yak being ranked #1 ALL year long. He was ranked #1 all year long for a reason, he is the top ranked guy coming out of the 12 draft. If there were times when it went another way then fine, he may not be the top guy in the 12 draft, but it went all year long. The only guy that was even mentioned as another possibility was Murray.
I don't have a bad thing to say about Gally, but when you actually pick 1st in a draft, you pick the best player available and that guy is Yak. I watched both in the OHL and ignoring position, Yak is the better player between the 2. Nothing else to really say.
You do realize that Galchenyuk was injured all year, right? Had he not been injured...well...
In any case, yes, Yakupov was ranked #1 all year. Yes he was drafted 1st overall. Yes, he is a great player.
No, Montreal would not swap Galchenyuk for Yakupov. Yes, I think Galchenyuk will be the better NHL player. No, neither you nor I can prove it one way or the other. Let's enjoy our players and revisit in a few years. Enjoy having Yakupov help the Oil light the lights. I look forward to Galchenyuk filling the nets for my Habs. I hope we meet in a Stanley Cup Finals and we get a chance to see which player is better than the other in a real series where it matters...
The Yakupov vs Galchenyuk comparison will be similar to Tavares vs Duchene comparison. Yes, it might be close for the first year or so, but after that, it's going to be clear who the better player is. Let's take a look at their attributes:
Shot - Yakupov takes this easily (Yes, I know Galchenyuk has a good shot, but Yak's is on another level)
Skating - Yakupov
Hockey IQ - Could go either way
Playmaking - It's close. Yakupov's playmaking is very underrated, but maybe Galchenyuk takes it.
Physicality - Yakupov
Defense - Galchenyuk
Galchenyuk may play a more important position, but Yakupov is surely the better player right now.
Physicality : Yakupov? Yeah right.... What about other aspects of the game like making is team mates better: Galchenyuk or passing the puck: Galchenyuk
So much wishful thinking on the part of montreal Canadians fans....
The Oilers would have picked Galchenyuk if they wanted him over Yakupov. He DOES represent a more pressing organizational need. Having RNH/Galchenyuk as a 1-2 punch at centre would make the team more complete. But they felt Yakupov is that much better along with most professional scouts and people who are grounded in reality.
The Yakupov vs Galchenyuk comparison will be similar to Tavares vs Duchene comparison. Yes, it might be close for the first year or so, but after that, it's going to be clear who the better player is. Let's take a look at their attributes:
Shot - Yakupov takes this easily (Yes, I know Galchenyuk has a good shot, but Yak's is on another level)
Skating - Yakupov
Hockey IQ - Could go either way
Playmaking - It's close. Yakupov's playmaking is very underrated, but maybe Galchenyuk takes it.
Physicality - Yakupov
Defense - Galchenyuk
Galchenyuk may play a more important position, but Yakupov is surely the better player right now.
I'm not saying Galchenyuk is better than Yak but saying Yaks shot is on another level is just flat out wrong.
Physicality : Yakupov? Yeah right.... What about other aspects of the game like making is team mates better: Galchenyuk or passing the puck: Galchenyuk
I'd say Yakupov is more physical than Galchenyuk. He hits more and plays with more of an edge.
And I agree Galchenyuk is the better playmaker. I even said I'd give the edge to him in passing in my previous post. Yakupov is heavily underrated in that regard though. His passing doesn't get enough credit.
I like Galchenyuk. I would love him on the Oilers. But Yakupov, atleast in my opinion, is the better player right now.
I'd say Yakupov is more physical than Galchenyuk. He hits more and plays with more of an edge.
And I agree Galchenyuk is the better playmaker. I even said I'd give the edge to him in passing in my previous post. Yakupov is heavily underrated in that regard though. His passing doesn't get enough credit.
I like Galchenyuk. I would love him on the Oilers. But Yakupov, atleast in my opinion, is the better player right now.
Neither Yakupov or Galchenyuk are overly physical but Galy has more size and strength. Galy is also 8 months younger than Yakupov. The intangibles go to Galchenyuk as well including his leadership ability and a workhorse on/off the ice.
No one can know who will be the better player at this stage. There isn't anything to suggest one is far ahead than the other. But i like the development curve Galy is on and in 8 months lets see how he compares to Yakupov right now!
As for Huberdeau he is in the same class of player. There is not much difference between the three in terms of their overall potential. All should have productive NHL careers.
Neither Yakupov or Galchenyuk are overly physical but Galy has more size and strength. Galy is also 8 months younger than Yakupov. The intangibles go to Galchenyuk as well including his leadership ability and a workhorse on/off the ice.
No one can know who will be the better player at this stage. There isn't anything to suggest one is far ahead than the other. But i like the development curve Galy is on and in 8 months lets see how he compares to Yakupov right now!
As for Huberdeau he is in the same class of player. There is not much difference between the three in terms of their overall potential. All should have productive NHL careers.
Yakupov will still be ahead of that band-aid boy in 8 months. Book it.
Neither Yakupov or Galchenyuk are overly physical but Galy has more size and strength. Galy is also 8 months younger than Yakupov. The intangibles go to Galchenyuk as well including his leadership ability and a workhorse on/off the ice.
Yakupov is the Team Russia captain but somehow the intangibles go to Galchenyuk? Really? Could you be any more of a homer?
If you do not want Yakupov traded to such a degree, then don't post in a thread trying to trade Yakupov. If you don't care what Panthers fans think, then don't post in a trade thread involving Panthers' players. Seriously, why just jump in and throw out a garbage offer like that and then get all pissy when you are called on it?
With your proposal you completely rip off Florida, so of course you think it is a great deal. Strangely enough, when trading with another team you need to consider what the other team wants in a deal. If that is not something you want to do, don't make a proposal just to get people to sound off against it.
Saying it will cost an "arm and a leg" for your stars is great. You do realize that the same is true of ALL teams young stars, right?
The Panthers would laugh at the offer and hang up.
Do I think it's a great deal? No Huber + Kulikov would be a GREAT deal. What I'm asking for is a slightly discounted price when you consider the fact that any team is going to have to overpay heavily to get Yakupov.
Just that I don't want to see someone get traded doesn't mean that I have no place in a thread involving that player and if you think that what I offered up was a horrible deal then maybe I should be more vocal in threads like these to bring some people back down to earth.
If I were your everyday Hfboards poster I'd say that Edmonton's weaknesses are in net and on the blueline and the OP does not involve a blueliner or a goalie. I only kept those out of my proposal because I knew it would be even less palatable.
So for the fair proposal, you're welcome.
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Florida laughs, and then hangs up..
Yakupov for Huberdeau is pretty fair, but I'd keep Hubs. Like people say, he can play both center and wing, and he doesn't have the russian factor and attitude. Yakupov is too selfish at times, not a teamplayer liker Huberdeau.
Russian factor. Jeez I'm getting tired of hearing this. Omark won't play for Edmonton if it means playing in the AHL. I guess we've got a Swede factor on our hands now too, don't we? Give me a break.
Ovechkin is selfish with the puck all the time and every team in the league would love to have his fat contract on their books under the last CBA despite his declining production, which is probably because of the style of coaching implemented throughout last season.
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Physicality : Yakupov? Yeah right.... What about other aspects of the game like making is team mates better: Galchenyuk or passing the puck: Galchenyuk
Yakupov does make good passes at times but at other times he doesn't need to. He can breeze by the defense and go score for himself.
Who's going to make more money on the open market? A guy who scored 50 goals or 50 assists? No contest. How about 50 goals or 70 assists? No, a goal isn't just as good as an assist. Why? Because there are unassisted goals, while there are no assists which are not followed by goals.
If you do not want Yakupov traded to such a degree, then don't post in a thread trying to trade Yakupov. If you don't care what Panthers fans think, then don't post in a trade thread involving Panthers' players. Seriously, why just jump in and throw out a garbage offer like that and then get all pissy when you are called on it?
With your proposal you completely rip off Florida, so of course you think it is a great deal. Strangely enough, when trading with another team you need to consider what the other team wants in a deal. If that is not something you want to do, don't make a proposal just to get people to sound off against it.
Saying it will cost an "arm and a leg" for your stars is great. You do realize that the same is true of ALL teams young stars, right?
The Panthers would laugh at the offer and hang up.
Panther fan here (yes we do exist). We are used to proposals on HFboards that "completely rip off Florida", but take no offense because our past GMs have actually made such trades.
Yakupov will still be ahead of that band-aid boy in 8 months. Book it.
Still be? You can make an argument that Galy surpassed him already! Buts make a mental note of where yak is now and compare ti Galy in 8 months down the road. As for injuries, galy has missed 1 game this season due to the flu. How many games had Hall, RNH and Yak missed this season?
Do I think it's a great deal? No Huber + Kulikov would be a GREAT deal. What I'm asking for is a slightly discounted price when you consider the fact that any team is going to have to overpay heavily to get Yakupov.
Just that I don't want to see someone get traded doesn't mean that I have no place in a thread involving that player and if you think that what I offered up was a horrible deal then maybe I should be more vocal in threads like these to bring some people back down to earth.
If I were your everyday Hfboards poster I'd say that Edmonton's weaknesses are in net and on the blueline and the OP does not involve a blueliner or a goalie. I only kept those out of my proposal because I knew it would be even less palatable.
So for the fair proposal, you're welcome.
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Actually, adding Horcoff to Yakupov in the deal is a negative detraction, so Huberdeau and Bjugstad is a severe overpayment no matter what "slight" cap dump Florida could add. It is a BS deal.
No, teams will not overpay heavily to get Yakupov, which is why the Oilers drafted him. Nobody in the league was willing to overpay to get a smallish Russian with concussion issues who throws his body around the ice. Yakupov is pretty fearless and does play with an edge and it will cost him at the NHL level.
By the way, if Edmonton's needs are on the blueline and in net, why wouldn't you simply adjust the trade to fit the needs of your team? It would far easier for you to say that a move for Huberdeau would not involve Yakupov because you would rather see him moved for whatever goalie and defenceman you think Florida has to offer. You could also leave the Huberdeau and Yakupov components and try to add something fair from Florida's blueline and something fair from Edmonton that Florida might actually need. Horcoff? Lol.
So, thanks for the BS proposal. I know, why not let Florida send you Campbell and Kulikov for Yakupov, Hall and Horcoff? That is about the same as what you were offering before.
It is a fair offer, but I would hope we would keep Galchenyuk at this point. He is younger and already bigger. No need to do this. Unfortunately, if the deal were offered, it would probably be accepted by the Habs because Huberdeau is french.
