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View Poll Results: You're named GM, select one defenceman.
Cam Fowler 10 9.71%
P.K. Subban 35 33.98%
Ryan Mcdonagh 39 37.86%
Justin Schultz 8 7.77%
Travis Hamonic 11 10.68%
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12-27-2012, 08:07 PM
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Fowler-Subban-Mcdonagh-J.Schultz-Hamonic

Pick one defenceman listed for your new franchise as a GM.

Who did you select? why?

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12-27-2012, 08:42 PM
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So you just switched Faulk with Hamonic. Are you trying to get different results?

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Still Hamonic.

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Still not Schultz

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12-28-2012, 12:33 PM
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McDonagh is a close second, but I would build around Subban. He puts up points, hits, blocks shots, plays with an edge, gets under opponents' skin enough to draw a ton of penalties, and he is still getting better.

I love Hamonic, as well, to be honest, but I just think of him as more of a steady support defender, not a leader type of defender around which you build a team.

Fowler is not in the conversation (sorry, Anaheim fans, no insult intended).

Schultz would have to do something at the NHL level for me to even look at him.

So:

Subban
McDonagh
Hamonic


Fowler
Schultz

That is the order of preference if I can pick from them.

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12-28-2012, 01:14 PM
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McDonagh - same reasons as your other poll.

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Schultz, still generational.

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I went with Subban. I think he brings a bit more offensive flair and attitude to a team. He seems like an intelligent guy and I can see him rounding into a fine leader as he matures. McDonagh was a close second. Schultz could very well end up being the best of the group, but if I were starting a team with one of these guys, I'd go for the lower risk player that has already established himself.

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Schultz, still generational.
he sure is.in the AHL....

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Pk or McDon

Can't go wrong with either, really.

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Guess people are forgetting that Fowler is 3 years younger than the 2 frontrunners and logs huge minutes on a bad team.

Going forward he is my guy, more growth to come and already extremely good at both ends.

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Guess people are forgetting that Fowler is 3 years younger than the 2 frontrunners and logs huge minutes on a bad team.

Going forward he is my guy, more growth to come and already extremely good at both ends.
How is his him being on a bad team make it a positive that he logs huge minutes? It just means there's no one in front so he can log those minutes.

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How is his him being on a bad team make it a positive that he logs huge minutes? It just means there's no one in front so he can log those minutes.
People often look at plus minus and forget about team and age of a player, thus the comment about the bad team.

Guy has logged huge minutes as a 19 and 20 year is the point I was trying to make, I should have made a separate point about his plus minus.

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People often look at plus minus and forget about team and age of a player.

Guy ha logged huge minutes as a 19 and 20 year is the point I was trying to make, I should have made a separate point about his plus minus.
Sometimes that is bad for a player's development. Look at Jack Johnson.

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Schultz, still generational.
Generational hype machine maybe

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Sometimes that is bad for a player's development. Look at Jack Johnson.
JJ is a pretty decent NHL guy but I understand what you are saying here.

I think expectations were greater for him because of his physical dominance against same age players when eh was younger and might have bee unwarranted.

I guess time will tell if playing so many minutes on those bad teams hurts Fowler but I don't think so as he has looked very good considering his age and need to get physically stronger.

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JJ is a pretty decent NHL guy but I understand what you are saying here.

I think expectations were greater for him because of his physical dominance against same age players when eh was younger and might have bee unwarranted.

I guess time will tell if playing so many minutes on those bad teams hurts Fowler but I don't think so as he has looked very good considering his age and need to get physically stronger.
I still don't see how you take Fowler over Subban or McDonagh. No offence meant, but it looks a bit like Homerism, on your part. Subban put up more points, had a better +/-, played more minutes, hit more, blocked more shots, was better at the positional game, plays better defensively, and draws far more penalties. Heck, Subban was arguably on a worse team, as well! I have no problem with someone liking their own player when discussing trade value, but if you are building a team and you have to pick one of the guys on this list to start to build around, Fowler is not in the conversation.

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Subban and McDonagh still stick out like sore thumbs in this group.

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I still don't see how you take Fowler over Subban or McDonagh. No offence meant, but it looks a bit like Homerism, on your part. Subban put up more points, had a better +/-, played more minutes, hit more, blocked more shots, was better at the positional game, plays better defensively, and draws far more penalties. Heck, Subban was arguably on a worse team, as well! I have no problem with someone liking their own player when discussing trade value, but if you are building a team and you have to pick one of the guys on this list to start to build around, Fowler is not in the conversation.
Fowler is also 3 years younger than the 2 front runners and I'm projecting him to be better than McDonagah overall in 3 years and maybe Subban too who is a bit of a free spirit.

When guys are that far apart there has to be projection and I think many are missing that point. 20,21,22,23 huge gap just look back at any set of prospects with those age swings.

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Fowler is also 3 years younger than the 2 front runners and I'm projecting him to be better than McDonagah overall in 3 years and maybe Subban too who is a bit of a free spirit.

When guys are that far apart there has to be projection and I think many are missing that point. 20,21,22,23 huge gap just look back at any set of prospects with those age swings.
Protip: Subban hasn't been a "free spirit" in the manner you're implying since the 1st half of 201/-11. When he first broke into the league, it was true. At this point, he isn't this defensively shaky guy who goes end to end like everyone remembers from the WJHC.

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At this point, easily McDonuts for me.

Subban is great as well, but I'm taking the more defensive of the two.

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JJ is a pretty decent NHL guy but I understand what you are saying here.

I think expectations were greater for him because of his physical dominance against same age players when eh was younger and might have bee unwarranted.

I guess time will tell if playing so many minutes on those bad teams hurts Fowler but I don't think so as he has looked very good considering his age and need to get physically stronger.
Johnson is the worst defensive player in hockey post lockout.

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Johnson is the worst defensive player in hockey post lockout.
Okay you can try to defend that and I'll make it easy and only include NHL players...lol

we are talking about Jack Johnson here, pretty decent Dman and a great recording artist to boot.

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Fowler is not in the conversation (sorry, Anaheim fans, no insult intended).
Fowler is the youngest of the bunch and while last season might not have been so great, his rookie year showed lots of promise. I am surprised Anaheim didn't send him to the AHL to work on his game to be honest. Could have did wonders

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