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01-06-2013, 03:10 AM
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I've heard people say they don't like Dirk Hayhurst but I've always found him very well spoken and intellectual.
He's fine with me. Beats having Buck in the booth who seems to have had a dozen shots of Jim Bean or Tabler telling us how every player has such strong hands. Or legs. Or arms. Boy, this guys stats suck, but he's got such strooooooong hands. Remember Jamie Campbell and Mullinicks? Jesus. I have no clue how Campbell got that gig and Mullinicks would take 3 innings to explain why a guy on first would be running on a 3-2 count with 2 outs.

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01-06-2013, 08:35 AM
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Hmm, maybe good broadcasters are the team's biggest hole?

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Sounds good. Been saying we should have converted him since last year. Guy good size, athleticism, and a cannon arm from short, so hopefully that translates to low to mid 90s from the mound.

I think Dickey should start teaching any failed pitching prospects how to throw the knuckler while we're at it.
I'd like to see McGowan work with Dickey to try to learn the knuckler.

McGowan is a guy with a ton of talent whos body just doesn't seem to be able to handle standard pitching anymore.

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01-06-2013, 10:21 AM
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1) no guarantee he wouldn't have hockey commitments. Not for sure at least until we pass the final deadline and no deal happens.
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Might as well give him a shot. At this point I will take a David Carpenter (the AAA arm from Houston in the Happ deal) pitcher over Justin Jackson fielder.
Yup, might as well. When this happens do they typically start guys right down in GCL?

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01-06-2013, 11:17 AM
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Apparently Jackson did a bit of relief pitching in high school and could hit 93 mph

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01-06-2013, 11:23 AM
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Yup, might as well. When this happens do they typically start guys right down in GCL?
It depends, I think maybe Lansing or Vancouver? Santos, for example, started pitching in the SALL, which is the equivalent of Lansing...

It'll be interesting, maybe Jackson can become a reliever for us in a couple years? It's worth a shot since he was never getting anywhere with that bat.

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01-06-2013, 11:29 AM
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You have to think they will want to give him as much time as possible pitching so will want him there from day 1. Honestly, with a failed prospect like Jackson you need to find out quickly if its worth continuing or to cut bait in short order.

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01-06-2013, 01:14 PM
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Hmm, maybe good broadcasters are the team's biggest hole?
The only holes are the ones in the crowd. Get out there and support our team!

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01-06-2013, 01:43 PM
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The only holes are the ones in the crowd. Get out there and support our team!
Not worried - I think fans are going to come out in strong numbers. Including me.

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I'd like to see McGowan work with Dickey to try to learn the knuckler.

McGowan is a guy with a ton of talent whos body just doesn't seem to be able to handle standard pitching anymore.
his talent was his "stuff" though. big fastball with movement, nasty slider/curve, usable change. What held him back a bit was that had a tendency to walk guys and have his control fluctuate somewhat. That's not exactly a skillset/setup that's conducive to converting him to a pitch that's all about feel/location/control.

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01-06-2013, 04:05 PM
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missed it
where did alan ashby go?

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Houston, old management fired him because he spoke his mind and new ownership I assume asked for him back and since he's from and lives in Houston, not a surprise.

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It depends, I think maybe Lansing or Vancouver? Santos, for example, started pitching in the SALL, which is the equivalent of Lansing...

It'll be interesting, maybe Jackson can become a reliever for us in a couple years? It's worth a shot since he was never getting anywhere with that bat.
I think they'll be pretty aggressive with his promotions too

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You have to think they will want to give him as much time as possible pitching so will want him there from day 1. Honestly, with a failed prospect like Jackson you need to find out quickly if its worth continuing or to cut bait in short order.
Think they could try a full season team like Lansing?

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Think they could try a full season team like Lansing?
That's what I would do.

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You have to think they will want to give him as much time as possible pitching so will want him there from day 1. Honestly, with a failed prospect like Jackson you need to find out quickly if its worth continuing or to cut bait in short order.
I would think that the process would be slower. He hasn't had the time to build up strength in certain areas, especially the shoulder. How long was the transition process for Santos?

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01-06-2013, 07:11 PM
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I would think that the process would be slower. He hasn't had the time to build up strength in certain areas, especially the shoulder. How long was the transition process for Santos?
I think Woodman's right. Given that he's 24 already I don't think they'll take their time.

He's always had a strong and accurate throwing arm, so shouldn't be too bad.

Santos on the other hand had a weaker arm, and wasn't nearly as accurate as a SS

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01-06-2013, 07:25 PM
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I would think that the process would be slower. He hasn't had the time to build up strength in certain areas, especially the shoulder. How long was the transition process for Santos?
I agree you stretch him out but you dont need to wait until August to start his season to do that. You can get him throwing on a dedicated timetable early in the year for 1 inning at a time and then slowly ramp it up to get him some innings towards the end of the year. If he sucks then you cut bait if he shows promise then he sticks around for a more proper development curve from that point on.

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dunno if these were posted back closer to the trade/signing, but of interest to the infield/2b discussion:

http://mopupduty.com/scouting-maicer-izturis-121112/

http://mopupduty.com/scouting-emilio-bonifacio-112912/

seems only logical to me that Izturis is the starter and Bonifacio is a super-sub

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dunno if these were posted back closer to the trade/signing, but of interest to the infield/2b discussion:

http://mopupduty.com/scouting-maicer-izturis-121112/

http://mopupduty.com/scouting-emilio-bonifacio-112912/

seems only logical to me that Izturis is the starter and Bonifacio is a super-sub
As long as Bonafacio is getting regular AB's, I wouldn't have an issue with that. If he can put up a respectable OBP and continue his average defense at several positions, he's gravy.

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dunno if these were posted back closer to the trade/signing, but of interest to the infield/2b discussion:

http://mopupduty.com/scouting-maicer-izturis-121112/

http://mopupduty.com/scouting-emilio-bonifacio-112912/

seems only logical to me that Izturis is the starter and Bonifacio is a super-sub
Izturis would be the starter in his respectable role as is Bonifacio in his respectable role, thats what in looks like to me and I'm okay with that.

I think Boni has a lot to offer, he seems to keep getting better every year. I wouldn't even look much into his 2012 numbers as he was injured for a good portion. The guy was a joy to have on my fantasy league in 2011, ill tell you that much.

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Izturis would be the starter in his respectable role as is Bonifacio in his respectable role, thats what in looks like to me and I'm okay with that.

I think Boni has a lot to offer, he seems to keep getting better every year. I wouldn't even look much into his 2012 numbers as he was injured for a good portion. The guy was a joy to have on my fantasy league in 2011, ill tell you that much.
Didn't even think of it from that perspective, fantasy league. If he's getting regular AB's he'd be a nice later round pick.

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