Which kind of goes to illustrate why I dislike the idea that some voters make players wait before getting voted in. That makes no sense. I understand the multiple years of eligibility in case a guy can't get in because there's too many good eligible players ahead of them. But What's the point of making a guy wait? Years from now only the most hardcore HOF followers are going to remember wait periods on guys before they get in. They'll only remember if a guy is in or out. I don't see the point of "sending a message" or "a guy deserving to wait" or whatnot. If it's someone like Blyleven where it wasn't a case of needing to wait as much as it was taking a while before people really looked at him and realized the true measure of his success, that's one thing. But if Craig Biggio deserves to get into the hall, and everyone knows it, he should be in this year.
I can actually live with it. I don't mind if they make a distinction between first-ballot guys and the rest of the HOF'er because the term first-ballot HOF'er has become popular.
I can live with Biggio waiting a year but my god, how the hell do you make Bonds and Clemens wait? Shame on the BBWAA.
I don't think it has to make you that player on its own. If they don't really have any effect no one would take them. They messed up and this is the consequence. Bonds still made millions, not exactly like they gave him the chair for it. They just aren't outright rewarding him. Character is part of the ballot, and frankly bonds' character is as bad as they come. Shouldn't be in.
you need skill to still be good with PED's I'm willing to bet there has been more people that failed using PED's then had success using PED's
I guess Clemens and Bonds will be added to the all-time greats, which includes Rose and Joe Jackson, that were excluded from the HOF.
I still cringe at the failure of including Jackson. My God.
In what world does a career .356/.423/.517 slash and +11 defensive runs exclude you?
Before anyone brings up the "Scandal", there is heavy against such a claim, which includes him being founded as "not guilty". For one, I know that if I bet against my team, I would not post a .375 BA, throw a runner out at the plate, and lead both teams in batting categories.
They really need to fix this "system" or whatever it is they have going because it's already begun to misrepresent and inadequately judge some very good baseball players, and for personal reasons too.
The beginning of Stark's ESPN article captures my thoughts perfectly:
The votes are in. The earth is still rumbling. Now let's try to digest the magnitude of what just happened here:
A man who hit 762 home runs wasn't elected to the Hall of Fame.
A pitcher who won seven Cy Young Awards wasn't elected to the Hall of Fame.
A man who hit 609 home runs only got 12.5 percent of the vote.
A catcher who made 12 All-Star teams missed election by 98 votes.
Even a guy who got 3,060 hits found out Wednesday he didn't do enough to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
It boggles the mind. Doesn't it? We were just presented the most star-studded Hall of Fame ballot in maybe 75 years. And NOBODY got elected?
It's enough to make you wonder: What kind of Hall of Fame are we building here?
Do we really want a Hall of Fame that basically tries to pretend that none of those men ever played baseball? That none of that happened? Or that none of that should have happened?
With all this HoF stuff it really depends how much weight one puts on "integrity" & "character" criteria.
Bonds, Clemens, etc. are true legends if you ignore the above two criteria but they took a risk and got caught which (to me) ruined their "character & integrity".
Letting them into the HoF on the first ballot just sends the wrong msg to all your kids who look up to these guys.
This is how it works in real life, if you cheat and get caught, you must expect to face consequences.
I don't think its the steroids that made them legends (they still worked their ass off), but i think it is the steroids that disqualified by failing two criteria (character & integrity).
Imagine you are an investment banker and work all your life for one bank, make them millions of dollars, make a good living yourself but somewhere along the line you get caught for "skimming a little extra" for yourself throughout the years. Do you think anyone will consider you were a "legend" at the bank or will you be remember as that guy who did so well for himself but still found the need to "steal".
As for Biggio...i got no idea what the writers were thinking.
Upton has a no trade list of 4 teams and the blue jays are on the list...
That's just comedy
Not really, the list hasn't been updated since the beginning of spring, IIRC, definitely before winter though. So not wanting to come to a team where taxes are a bit higher (though overblown by media), and where he's playing on turf for about 90 games a year (TB included there), it's not hard to see why they'd be on his no-trade list.