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Mark Scheifele for Phil Kessel

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12-29-2012, 11:30 AM
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How else are we supposed to learn about other teams unless we ask?

There's no reason to expect everyone to know every team around the league.
Read some threads on the other team's board? Ask some questions over there? Read a few articles here or there?

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12-29-2012, 11:31 AM
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How else are we supposed to learn about other teams unless we ask?

There's no reason to expect everyone to know every team around the league.
Exactly lol. Hense the proposal... Inquiry...

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12-29-2012, 11:34 AM
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Read some threads on the other team's board? Ask some questions over there? Read a few articles here or there?
Would my questions be met with the same impatience and rudeness that Gump Hasek delivered or would the response be polite like you have been?

I really dont understand what is so insulting about a trade proposal like this.

Some fans agree the Leafs should go for it and win now some dont (like me).

Some Jets fans likely agree that they should acquire a player like Kessel and some probably dont (like you).

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12-29-2012, 11:35 AM
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Read some threads on the other team's board? Ask some questions over there? Read a few articles here or there?
I guess the assumption was that every team in the league could use a 35+ goal 80 point winger. Oops

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12-29-2012, 11:41 AM
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Would my questions be met with the same impatience and rudeness that Gump Hasek delivered or would the response be polite like you have been?

I really dont understand what is so insulting about a trade proposal like this.

Some fans agree the Leafs should go for it and win now some dont (like me).

Some Jets fans likely agree that they should acquire a player like Kessel and some probably dont (like you).
So, pointing out that this thread consists mainly of Leaf fans pipe-dreaming about fleecing away Winnipeg prospects in exchange for a piece that fits none of the Jets needs equates to rudeness to you? You apparently are confusing the stating of that with rudeness. The Jets, a team with plans to build via the draft is expected by some here to throw that away in exchange for Phil Kessel? Sorry, but that is laughable. Try reading about teams other than your own every now and then.

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12-29-2012, 11:46 AM
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We could send you Hainsey and a late round 2015 pick for him at the trade deadline, maybe.

Doesn't fit your needs? Oops.

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12-29-2012, 11:47 AM
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I guess the assumption was that every team in the league could use a 35+ goal 80 point winger. Oops
Seriously. Jets fans saying no to this is hilarious.

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12-29-2012, 11:49 AM
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Keep in mind, I am weighing heavily on perry joining us. That should make more sense for everybody.
I can't tell if the value is there. But IMO from a Toronto standpoint, if we're going to heavily weigh on a free-agent signing I'd rather heavily weigh on signing Getzlaf than making this trade. Sure Scheifele has looked solid in OHL and WJC, but to me:

Getzlaf + Kessel > Perry + (Scheifele + 1st + 2nd)/Risk

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Seriously. Jets fans saying no to this is hilarious.
Time to let it go.

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I guess the assumption was that every team in the league could use a 35+ goal 80 point winger. Oops
Kessel doesn't turn the Jets into a contender any more than he turned the Leafs into one. The Jets are several pieces away and Schefele, Trouba and future high picks offer a lot more hope than a season of Kessel and then a start over.

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12-29-2012, 11:50 AM
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Seriously. Jets fans saying no to this is hilarious.
Yeah. How dare Jets fans want our team management to stick to their publicly stated plan to build around the young core via the draft versus the exciting opportunity to enjoy Phil Kessel for one season.

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We could send you Hainsey and a late round 2015 pick for him at the trade deadline, maybe.

Doesn't fit your needs? Oops.
That has nothing to do with needs, that's just insulting based on the worth of the player.

We're talking about an elite scorer for two prospects and a later draft pick.

There's nothing insulting about that and I have no idea why you are acting so rude and stating that we Leafs fans are ignorant.

It's not like the either of the prospects are guaranteed to match Kessel's level.

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12-29-2012, 11:52 AM
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Kessel doesn't turn the Jets into a contender any more than he turned the Leafs into one. The Jets are several pieces away and Schefele, Trouba and future high picks offer a lot more hope than a season of Kessel and then a start over.
Bingo! Not every GM trades their future away.

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I guess the assumption was that every team in the league could use a 35+ goal 80 point winger. Oops
Of course every team could use that. The question is: what are they willing to give up to get that? If it creates a hole organizationally, does that necessarily make the team better?

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12-29-2012, 11:53 AM
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Seriously. Jets fans saying no to this is hilarious.
What's so hilarious? Would Leafs fans saying no to a Kane for Rielly + high draft picks proposal be hilarious?

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Seriously. Jets fans saying no to this is hilarious.
Have you read any of the reasoning behind saying no?

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12-29-2012, 11:55 AM
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Gotta get rid of Burke if Leaf management sincerely wants to patiently build a winner. Something Burke has admitted he's not willing to do.
He just drafted a blue chip prospect 5th overall. It's laughable to say he isn't rebuilding.

He was hired to "Win-Now" by previous ownership BTW.

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I agree with the posters that say it really doesn't make sense for the Jets to make this move.

Scheifele fills that need for a big pt scoring center, that every team would like, even if he's still just a prospect and not proven at the NHL level. The Jets prospect pool re: large, high IQ scoring centers is pretty shallow, at this point, with ONLY Scheifele.

Kessel is a proven, consistent 30+ goal scoring winger, but the Jets feel that they have that with EKane. They likely hope Kane develops into a consistent 40+ g winger. Jets have to add to a deal with Scheifele, to get Kessel, who doesn't fill a need at the moment.

From a Leafs perspective, if you signed Perry (as per the OP), I would think that you would still need Phil's scoring. Leafs should make a splash and sign both Getzlaf and Perry. Then move Dion and Grab to free up some cap room.

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12-29-2012, 11:56 AM
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It'll take more to get Kessel than Sheifele.

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No matter how good of a prospect scheifele is, he's still only a prospect. Leafs lose this trade big time.
Weird how it works for YOU guys when you want it to but other teams need to accept Kadri and Gardiner as sure-fire, can't miss players in your proposals.

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12-29-2012, 11:57 AM
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What's so hilarious? Would Leafs fans saying no to a Kane for Rielly + high draft picks proposal be hilarious?
Just for the record are we talking about the initial Scheifle for Kessel proposal or my amended Kessel, Kadri for Scheifle, Trouba, and a 2nd?

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12-29-2012, 11:59 AM
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It'll take more to get Kessel than Sheifele.
It's been repeatedly stated that Winnipeg wouldn't give up the pieces. Building through the draft is our teams philosophy.

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He just drafted a blue chip prospect 5th overall. It's laughable to say he isn't rebuilding.

He was hired to "Win-Now" by previous ownership BTW.
Only because his win-now cap ceiling, traded two first round pick team failed.

There's a difference between saying you want to win and acting or choosing not to act upon that stated goal.

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Just for the record are we talking about the initial Scheifle for Kessel proposal or my amended Kessel, Kadri for Scheifle, Trouba, and a 2nd?
I was referring to the initial proposal.

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That has nothing to do with needs, that's just insulting based on the worth of the player.

We're talking about an elite scorer for two prospects and a later draft pick.

There's nothing insulting about that and I have no idea why you are acting so rude and stating that we Leafs fans are ignorant.

It's not like the either of the prospects are guaranteed to match Kessel's level.
I didn't state that Leafs fans are ignorant but rather stated that some are perhaps ignoring the needs of the counter-party in this proposal. Prospects like Scheifele and Trouba might not carry much weight in your eyes relative to a player like Kessel, but to a team with a plan to build around their young top prospects they probably carry much more weight than does one season of Phil Kessel. That is kind of the point.

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