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01-08-2013, 04:37 PM
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The Hill We Will Die On

Bill Daly's December 17th comment "The hill we will die on." wasa classic misdirect. Goal all along was the longer contract 7 - 8 years and CBA term, 8 to 10 years was part of the game plan from the start. What the players saw as a concession was a goal all along that was a bargaining chip to get other concessions. Just got the players to negotiate up to a high level with the villain option at 8 years.


The owners will not activate the opt out at 8 years unless there is a major disaster in their midst. If the players opt out they become the villains and the HRR split goes south of 50/50 and guaranteed contracts may disappear. Expect ten seasons of stability which is longer than the owners have had since the mid 1990s.

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I think the owners will lockout and demand concession immediately when the 8 year mark hits.

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haha, the lengths some people will go to trying to justify their pro-Bettman positions through the lockout.

Since the players were asking for an 8 year maximum at the time Daly made that comment, if that was the league strategy, it didn't work very well! Or all the other times they told the players that they had to either accept the current offer or it would be taken off the table.

The only major "concession" the NHL received after the "hill we die on" comment was the 10 year CBA, which the media was reporting that the players were generally ok with from the beginning. Other than that, the players basically got their way.

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I think the owners will lockout and demand concession immediately when the 8 year mark hits.
You and me both brother

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Cause that worked for them so well this time.

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Bill Daly's soundbite was one of the more entertaining one's this time...but the best one was last time, when Mccabe said we will never accept a salary cap...

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haha, the lengths some people will go to trying to justify their pro-Bettman positions through the lockout.

Since the players were asking for an 8 year maximum at the time Daly made that comment,
if that was the league strategy, it didn't work very well! Or all the other times they told the players that they had to either accept the current offer or it would be taken off the table.

The only major "concession" the NHL received after the "hill we die on" comment was the 10 year CBA, which the media was reporting that the players were generally ok with from the beginning. Other than that, the players basically got their way.
You referring to the CBA length or contract term? The PA was originally asking for 8 yrs with an opt out at 6 (so 5.5 seasons from now). No way the NHL would have accepted that. The PA didn't offer 8 yr contract limits until Dec sometime.

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Bill Daly's soundbite was one of the more entertaining one's this time...but the best one was last time, when Mccabe said we will never accept a salary cap...
I wouldn't put anything Bryan McCabe said at anywhere the same level of importance as something Bill Daly said. The "hill we will die on" was no more than a pimple and unfortunately for us fans, the NHL could have had this deal in early December. Something changed between then and now, maybe a little push from some dissatisfied owners?

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You referring to the CBA length or contract term? The PA was originally asking for 8 yrs with an opt out at 6 (so 5.5 seasons from now). No way the NHL would have accepted that. The PA didn't offer 8 yr contract limits until Dec sometime.
But did the PA really care about 6-8 vs 8-10 year CBA term or were they just choosing an opposite stance forcing the NHL to negotiate for it?

Like a few of the things going the other way this one really doesn't matter either way for the PA.

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the NHL could have had this deal in early December. Something changed between then and now, maybe a little push from some dissatisfied owners?
Takes two to tango. I have a feeling the deal wouldn't have been done until around January because of Fehr unless the league worked of Fehr's proposal.

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I think the owners will lockout and demand concession immediately when the 8 year mark hits.
I think you can make book on that.

Which puts us at 7.5 seasons away from an actual lockout, and only 6.5 seasons until the sabre rattling begins in earnest.

 
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I think the owners will lockout and demand concession immediately when the 8 year mark hits.
If they do that, there is not one person here who has any excuse to support the owners next time.

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We're not generating any new discussion in here. Same topics being discussed in multiple other threads.

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