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Voracek for Schneider is pretty fair value IMO, but our wings would go from an area of weakness to just awful.
we're already in serious need of a top 6 winger, and losing voracek would make our depth chart Hartnell, Simmonds, Read, everyone else... that sounds terrible.
only real way a deal could be made between the 2 teams is if the Nucks wanted to make a deal around Laughton+. Laughton looks like he could be a great 3rd or maybe even 2nd line 2-way center in the future, but i could understand why that wouldn't be appealing to vancouver now. but anything else wouldn't really make sense for the Flyers.
Voracek for Schneider is pretty fair value IMO, but our wings would go from an area of weakness to just awful.
we're already in serious need of a top 6 winger, and losing voracek would make our depth chart Hartnell, Simmonds, Read, everyone else... that sounds terrible.
only real way a deal could be made between the 2 teams is if the Nucks wanted to make a deal around Laughton+. Laughton looks like he could be a great 3rd or maybe even 2nd line 2-way center in the future, but i could understand why that wouldn't be appealing to vancouver now. but anything else wouldn't really make sense for the Flyers.
Is Voracek showing any signs of becoming a better player? Or do you think he tops out as a 2nd line winger? If so, I'd much rather hold on to Schneider. He's shown signs of becoming a very high end #1 goalie, and that to me is much more valuable than a 2nd line winger. I'd want a player with 1st line upside, or at least a different type of player like Simmonds for example.
I realize on paper trading a winger for Schneider makes zero sense for you guys. In these discussions, we'll just have to imagine Holmgren makes some ridiculous unexpected trade to address that need before or after
Is Voracek showing any signs of becoming a better player? Or do you think he tops out as a 2nd line winger? If so, I'd much rather hold on to Schneider. He's shown signs of becoming a very high end #1 goalie, and that to me is much more valuable than a 2nd line winger. I'd want a player with 1st line upside, or at least a different type of player like Simmonds for example.
I realize on paper trading a winger for Schneider makes zero sense for you guys. In these discussions, we'll just have to imagine Holmgren makes some ridiculous unexpected trade to address that need before or after
Voracek has definitely showed 1st line wing potential, and as it stands I think he plays with Giroux when the NHL kicks back up. I see Voracek as being a lower to average level first line winger at best and an average to very good 2nd line winger at worse. If the guy had a heavier shot he'd be a star... Size, speed, Hands, passing... Guy just can't dunk
Is Voracek showing any signs of becoming a better player? Or do you think he tops out as a 2nd line winger? If so, I'd much rather hold on to Schneider. He's shown signs of becoming a very high end #1 goalie, and that to me is much more valuable than a 2nd line winger. I'd want a player with 1st line upside, or at least a different type of player like Simmonds for example.
I realize on paper trading a winger for Schneider makes zero sense for you guys. In these discussions, we'll just have to imagine Holmgren makes some ridiculous unexpected trade to address that need before or after
yes, i do think voracek is becoming a better player. he has a very high ceiling still IMO. i think he can definitely become a 65-75pt 1st line winger in his prime. he most certainly has the talent to do so. his biggest problem at this point is consistency and he could also use some work on his shot, but he's also very responsible defensively, so he's still a very effective and valuable player when he's not producing offensively. Whenever this season starts, it will be very interesting to see how jake performs, considering he's essentially been crowned the top line RW to play along side Giroux for the year, and the 2 of them had some magic moments last year. Jake is still only 23 years old and still has a lot of time to figure out his consistency issues, and i really believe he will. he's definitely one of the most under rated young forwards in the league.
Voracek has definitely showed 1st line wing potential, and as it stands I think he plays with Giroux when the NHL kicks back up. I see Voracek as being a lower to average level first line winger at best and an average to very good 2nd line winger at worse. If the guy had a heavier shot he'd be a star... Size, speed, Hands, passing... Guy just can't dunk
Despite all of your clarifications, why do we need a right handed defenseman? Things may work themselves out in that regard. If Garrison can play the right, for example, we'll have a surplus of defensemen all of a sudden. Then there's Tanev, who by many indications could be ready for a top 4 roll. I certainly wouldn't be willing to give up Schneider for a piece we don't really need.
Actually the explanation was made bbetween periods about a year ago. I've no idea which broadcast it was anymore, but the explanation does make sense. Especially on how AV like to run his defensemen.
Compared to even 10 years ago, today's goalies are very, very skilled and very, very quick. Give them just a second or two to setup and they will block most shots. A shot from the point uses up about a second of time. If a defenseman can take a puck off the boards and shoot all in one motion, chances are the goalie will be beat if the shot is on net and accurate but if the defenseman is playing his wrong side he has to transfer the puck to his right side in order to shoot. His shot is less powerful because he is not shooting in one motion and the transfer and windup takes 1 to 4 seconds. Time enough for most of todays goalies to react and stop the puck. This seems to be of high importance to AV. Enough that AV has shown he has little patience with defensemen or forwards unable to shoot or pass the puck in one fluid motion. AV is one of the top coaches in the league, but if you play for AV you play his system or you don't play. He isn't a coach that will even allow a franchaise level player to free wheel.
Many posters have made some good points. I started his thread based on a probable need to cut salary and the possibilty that Philli might end up needing a goalie. Personally I will be happy is we stand pat with the players we currently have providing a couple of prospects step up an make the team. I even think Alberts is an excellent defenseman for the #7 role he plays. And no, you still haven't convinced me the Canucks need to improve a top six winger or 3rd line centre in order to be a cup contender again. Would they like to, of course, but need to ... No.
Not enough. It's getting really annoying that people keep trying to shop him. We need the guy here where he is.
Yeah, Nucks would be best off keeping him. They won't get what they expect for an impending UFA, even one as good as Edler, especially from a team with relatively few assets like the Flyers. The Flyers would probably rather wait to sign him if he hits UFA.
