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If Lemieux and Gretzky had played in the same amount of games... Perfect analysis!

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02-22-2005, 06:13 PM
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If Lemieux and Gretzky had played in the same amount of games... Perfect analysis!

Ok here would be the stats of both Lemieux and Gretzky if they had played every game in every season. Also I've taken out Gretzky's 11th, 14th, 15th and 16th seasons as Lemieux didnt play in those.

Mario Lemieux:

1st year: 47 goals, 62 assists, 109 points
2nd year: 48 goals, 94 assists, 142 points
3rd year: 68 goals, 67 assists, 135 points
4th year: 72 goals, 102 assists, 172 points
5th year: 89 goals, 120 assists, 209 points
6th year: 61 goals, 105 assists, 166 points
7th year: 58 goals, 80 assists, 138 points
8th year: 55 goals, 109 assists, 164 points
9th year: 97 goals, 127 assists, 224 points
10th year: 64 goals, 77 assists, 141 points
12th year: 80 goals, 109 assists, 189 points
13th year: 53 goals, 78 assists, 131 points
17th year, 67 goals, 77 assists, 144 points
18th year: 20 goals, 85 assists, 105 points
19th year: 34 goals, 77 assits, 111 points
20th year: 8 goals, 65 assists, 73 points

Career Totals: 921 goals, 1422 assists, 2353 points

50 or more goal seasons: 11
100 or more assists seasons: 5
100 or more point seasons: 15
200 or more point seasons: 2

Wayne Gretzky:
1st year: 51 goals, 87 assists, 138 points
2nd year: 55 goals, 109 asssists, 164 points
3rd year: 92 goals, 120 assists, 212 points
4th year: 71 goals, 125 assists, 196 points
5th year: 94 goals, 127 assists, 221 points
6th year: 73 goals, 135 assists, 208 points
7th year: 52 goals.163 assists, 215 points
8th year: 62 goals, 122 assists. 184 points
9th year: 50 goals, 136 assists, 186 points
10th year: 55 goals, 116 assists, 171 points
12th year: 42 goals, 124 asssists, 166 points
13th year: 33 goals . 97 assists. 130 points
17th year: 23 goals, 80 assists, 103 points
18th year: 25 goals. 72 assists, 97 points
19th year: 23 goals, 67 assists, 90 points
20th year: 10 goals, 62 assists, 72 points

Career Totals: 811 goals, 1742 assists, 2553 points

50 or more goals seasons: 10
100 or more assists seasons: 10
100 or more point seasons: 13
200 or more point seasons: 4

So if you look at it, Lemieux clearly owns Gretzky in number of career goals, would've had 1 more 50 or more goal season as well as 2 more 100 or more point seasons. Gretzky owns Lemieux in assists as he would've had 5 more 100 or more assists seasons. Lemieux and Gretzky would also have been tied in number of art ross trophies with 8 each. Gretzky would've been third in goal scoring while Lemieux would've been first. Gretzky would still been first in assists and points though. Oh and Lemieux would've had the record for most points and goals in a single season. Gretzky would still have had the record for most assists. Pretty interesting, thoughts?

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how did you make these stats?

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How the hell did you do all those seasons? Do you have a job?

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02-22-2005, 06:46 PM
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Um.. I calculated all those seasons like this.

Say Lemieux had played in 60 games and gotten 160 points.. I transfered it to the full 80 games which makes about 213 points. I did the same thing with all of his seasons as well as Gretzky's. Since Lemieux didnt play in his 11th season, I took out Gretzky's 11th season. Since he didnt play in his 14th, 15th and 16th seasons I took out Gretzky's 14th, 15th and 16th seasons. What's so hard to understand?

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It's hard to understand if you have been on the ice all day long to raise some money. We skated for 8 hours straight and then I had a practise. So I'm tired like hell and my brain is on slow motion tonight.

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It's hard to understand if you have been on the ice all day long to raise some money. We skated for 8 hours straight and then I had a practise. So I'm tired like hell and my brain is on slow motion tonight.
Oh no I didnt intend my post directly to you.. and sorry I didnt know what you had gone through today.

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It's a well known fact that had Mario had a healthy career he'd have more goals and assists than Gretzky.

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I had a dream that Lemieux and Gretzky were not only tearing up the NHL, but were also Van Halen-esque guitar virtuosos.

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Oh and Lemieux would've had the record for most points
Only because he would have played 84 games in '93 as opposed to Wayne's 80 games in '84 (232 points in 84) and '86 (225 points in 84).

Heh, just being contentious. :-p Interesting stats to look at. It's fun crunching their ridiculous numbers. And the results are pretty predictable, Mario is definitely the better goal scorer.

But is he the best ever? When you do this same procedure for Mike Bossy, he's got over 600 goals in his 10 seasons... nearly as many as Lemieux in the same stretch. Could he score 350 goals in 6 more seasons or would he have dropped off? Mario didn't drop off much until the last few years.

If we could have Lemieux and Bossy at 100% health, the race for ''greatest goal scorer ever'' would be pretty wild.

Edit- math-eem-matikial miscalculation

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It's a well known fact that had Mario had a healthy career he'd have more goals and assists than Gretzky.
goals probably,assists, doubtful. Gretzky had his share of injuries, although compared to Mario's Hodgkins, they were nothing.

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yea iv figured it out before based on points per game i think it was. If Lemieux played as many seasons as Gretzky he woud have eclipsed Gretzs carer point total. I think it was like 3014 for Lemieux.

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Interesting analysis. Though I'm not sure that it's justified to remove Gretkzy's 11th, 14th, 15th and 16th seasons (removing 385 points). (Yes, I know that Lemieux didn't play those corresponding seasons... but why should Gretkzy be penalized nearly 400 points because of that?)

It's interesting to speculate what a player would have done had he remained healthy, but it remains just that: speculation. We have no way of knowing if a player's points per game would stay constant, especially if we don't consider factors such as aging. Also, sample size becomes a problem, especially since four of Lemieux's seasons were under 30 games. How confidently can you extrapolate 73 points in 82 games from a 10 game sample size? That's less than 4 hours of hockey (Lemieux got around 23 min/gp).

Extrapolating career stats based on points per game is unrealistic. Example: If Dale Hawerchuk played as many games as Gordie Howe, Hawerchuk would have outscored Mr. Hockey by over 200 points.

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I had a dream that Lemieux and Gretzky were not only tearing up the NHL, but were also Van Halen-esque guitar virtuosos.
Let one of them play guitar like Van Halen and the other play bass like Squire. That would be a great band!

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It's a well known fact that had Mario had a healthy career he'd have more goals and assists than Gretzky.
Well Kovalev10 just broke it down, and he says that TGO would've had more assists and points.

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Well Kovalev10 just broke it down, and he says that TGO would've had more assists and points.
Yeah really. Kovalev10 is always the one saying Lemieux is better than Gretzky. I think he proved himself wrong.

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Lemieux will always be the greatest goalscorer in the NHL... and thats backed up with the highest goals per game of any player. (0.84 I believe).

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Lemieux ppg is impressive...

...in great part because he have not played very much over 35 years old.

At 39, he's almost finished.

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Yeah really. Kovalev10 is always the one saying Lemieux is better than Gretzky. I think he proved himself wrong.
Well no I didnt prove myself wrong because Lemieux has the better of Gretzky in goal scoring and Gretzky has the better of Lemieux in assists.

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Well no I didnt prove myself wrong because Lemieux has the better of Gretzky in goal scoring and Gretzky has the better of Lemieux in assists.
...and points

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...and points
Yeah but that's because of his assists.

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It's a well known fact that had Mario had a healthy career he'd have more goals and assists than Gretzky.
It's a well known fact that statement is utterly absurd.

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yea iv figured it out before based on points per game i think it was. If Lemieux played as many seasons as Gretzky he woud have eclipsed Gretzs carer point total. I think it was like 3014 for Lemieux.
It's a well known fact that statement is utterly absurd.

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Just to build on the theme. I did this a while back. It is Mario's points-per-game mulitplied by the number of games Wayne played at the same age.

For years Mario didn't play, I used the average of the seasons on either side.

The result is pasted from an Excel sheet, sorry about the formatting.
AGE Wayne's GP Mario's PPG Total Points
20 79 1.370 108
21 80 1.785 143
22 80 1.698 136
23 80 2.182 175
24 74 2.618 194
25 80 2.085 167
26 80 1.731 138
27 79 2.047 162
28 64 2.667 171
29 78 1.682 131
30 73 2.300 168
31 78 2.300 179
32 74 1.605 119
33 45 1.767 80
34 81 1.767 143
35 48 1.767 85
36 62 1.767 110
36 18 1.292 23
37 82 1.358 111
38 82 0.900 74
Career 1417 1.846 2616

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Well Kovalev10 just broke it down, and he says that TGO would've had more assists and points.

:lol

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How in the f*** would lemieuxs highest points Total in one season be higher then waynes?????????????????lemieuxs 9th season 224 points??? Gretzkys 221???


If lemieux would have 224 Gretz would have 240. Gretzky points per game average in in the mid eighties eats up Mario lemieux in any era. Thanks come again.


Besides where in the f******* world do u get the time to come up with these absurd statistics.

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How in the f*** would lemieuxs highest points Total in one season be higher then waynes?????????????????lemieuxs 9th season 224 points??? Gretzkys 221???


If lemieux would have 224 Gretz would have 240. Gretzky points per game average in in the mid eighties eats up Mario lemieux in any era. Thanks come again.


Besides where in the f******* world do u get the time to come up with these absurd statistics.
It's based on point-per-game averages, genius.

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