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05-01-2013, 10:58 PM
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How will the Wings do in the East?

I think its great that the Wings finally got their wish and are moving to the East. Something they've been asking for for over a decade. How will they do though? What changes will they need to make. Can their finesse compete against the brawn of teams like the Leafs and Bruins? Lets get some thoughts going....

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With this roster? Same as this season

With Clowe, Torres, and Cooke instead of Filppula, Cleary, and Miller top 5 in the East

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I think they will need to get bigger and stronger the East Is more physical, They will need to be more grittier.

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I think they will need to get bigger and stronger the East Is more physical, They will need to be more grittier.
The Northeast isn't that much bigger than the Central, in fact I think St Louis would be the biggest team in that division. I also think its a myth that the east is the more physical conference. It may have more heavyweight fighters but for the most part its a far more wide open higher scoring conference than the West, which is more defensively oriented.

I think they'll do better than this season.

I also think that getting a bunch of games vs Florida and Tampa, combined with the new playoff format should make getting a playoff spot easier. Having to travel a lot less will also be beneficial to injuries and fatigue.

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A return to 90+ for Datsyuk and Zetterberg?

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It may take them a few games to get adjusted but I think they will be fine. Just hope we sign some quicker players to keep up with them.

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On the one hand, our best players are beyond 30 and on the decline.

On the other hand, our defense should turn a corner with all this experience.

I'm guessing about the same. 6-10. Early playoff loss.

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With this roster? Same as this season

With Clowe, Torres, and Cooke instead of Filppula, Cleary, and Miller top 5 in the East
Jeez, if we keep Bertuzzi, we'll have one of the most villainous lineups in the NHL

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I think they will need to get bigger and stronger the East Is more physical, They will need to be more grittier.
I agree, but I think it will be more of an adjustment rather than a need for a personnel change. We all know the handful of players who need to be more physical. I think that adjustment will make them more complete players rather than be a hindrance on their game.

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The Northeast isn't that much bigger than the Central, in fact I think St Louis would be the biggest team in that division. I also think its a myth that the east is the more physical conference. It may have more heavyweight fighters but for the most part its a far more wide open higher scoring conference than the West, which is more defensively oriented.

I think they'll do better than this season.

I also think that getting a bunch of games vs Florida and Tampa, combined with the new playoff format should make getting a playoff spot easier. Having to travel a lot less will also be beneficial to injuries and fatigue.
Actually what you say makes alot of sense, The Western Conference is way more physical and with Tampa Bay and Florida Should help the Wings big time.

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A return to 90+ for Datsyuk and Zetterberg?
Agreed they should easilly be able to dominate that Division and Conference.

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I agree, but I think it will be more of an adjustment rather than a need for a personnel change. We all know the handful of players who need to be more physical. I think that adjustment will make them more complete players rather than be a hindrance on their game.
Exactly.

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On the one hand, our best players are beyond 30 and on the decline.

On the other hand, our defense should turn a corner with all this experience.

I'm guessing about the same. 6-10. Early playoff loss.
agree, though it obviously depends on what happens in the offseason.

next season could be more difficult b/c it is a full season.

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The Northeast isn't that much bigger than the Central, in fact I think St Louis would be the biggest team in that division. I also think its a myth that the east is the more physical conference. It may have more heavyweight fighters but for the most part its a far more wide open higher scoring conference than the West, which is more defensively oriented.
Just for reference, here's a list of teams in the new division and how they ranks with penalties.

Toronto: 1st; 776 PIM
Tampa: 11th; 577
Ottawa: 3rd; 655
Montreal: 4th; 636
Florida: 14th; 541
Detroit: 27th; 469
Buffalo: 5th; 630
Boston: 10th; 584

And just as another reference: Chicago: 30th; 444

Basically what this list tells me is that the Wings just need to improve their powerplay. Buffalo was plenty "tough" but it didn't bring results. Nor did it help Tampa or Florida being in the top half for PIMs. Meanwhile, heavy playoff favorite Chicago spent their time staying out of the box and punishing their opponents on the powerplay. I'd prefer that strategy, all things considered.

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The travel thing is going to be a huge deal. All things equal, that is probably good for a few points on its own.

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Our back-end will be more experienced, and we'll have Dekeyser all year. Hopefully we'll have Helm back healthy, and Nyquist instead of Cleary. The team has found their way this season, and then they'll get a full training-camp+preseason.
Those things alone should improve our team, and that's without any trades/signings or buying out Sammy.

We'll be fine imo. I don't think the East is much bigger or more physical than the West. Are there any stats to back that up? Apart from Boston we are up against teams that we should be able to beat.

And we'll come into the East as the reigning cup champs so we'll have a lot of respect

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The travel thing is going to be a huge deal. All things equal, that is probably good for a few points on its own.
Yeah, I think this is going to be a big issue, along with the young guys just being a year older. We hate staying up and watching games at 1030 at night, imagine how the players feel having to be on the ice at that time. it's got to be a massive advantage for west coast teams to only be dealing with this issue the other way around (feels like playing at 430 instead of 730).

Anyway, yeah, I think we'll be fine. It's more a question of how our kids develop than of toughness or anything else.

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Before realignment plans: "Wings will run away with the East"
After realignment plans: Mid-range playoff team, no real changes.

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Before realignment plans: "Wings will run away with the East"
After realignment plans: Mid-range playoff team, no real changes.
When people were talking about running the east, we had a completely different team.

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I don't think the East is much bigger or more physical than the West. Are there any stats to back that up?
I think this is more a general feeling than based in actual reality, but it seems to be the primary reason why everyone thinks the Wings will fall into a tailspin next season. In a five year span (2006-2011) the West was 115-64-29 against the East.

I've always thought the West was harder, especially for the Wings, because of the ridiculous travel and strength of the Central division. I know the Northeast got four teams into the playoffs this season, but that has more to do with the ****** nature of the Southeast than anything else, and two of those teams will be in our division next season.

I fully expect the Wings to be fighting for the #2 spot in the division next season, and to be no lower than third.

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Just for reference, here's a list of teams in the new division and how they ranks with penalties.

Toronto: 1st; 776 PIM
Tampa: 11th; 577
Ottawa: 3rd; 655
Montreal: 4th; 636
Florida: 14th; 541
Detroit: 27th; 469
Buffalo: 5th; 630
Boston: 10th; 584

And just as another reference: Chicago: 30th; 444

Basically what this list tells me is that the Wings just need to improve their powerplay. Buffalo was plenty "tough" but it didn't bring results. Nor did it help Tampa or Florida being in the top half for PIMs. Meanwhile, heavy playoff favorite Chicago spent their time staying out of the box and punishing their opponents on the powerplay. I'd prefer that strategy, all things considered.
Big difference between PIM and powerplay opportunities
TIMES SHORTHANDED
Detroit 164
Toronto: 157
Tampa: 155
Ottawa: 167
Montreal: 175
Florida: 151
Buffalo: 178
Boston: 163

Detroit ranks in the middle of the pack

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It's tough to tell since we didn't play any East teams this year, but I think the only two teams that are for sure better than us on paper are Pittsburgh and Boston. Getting Helm back for a full season completely changes the dynamic of our team's physicality.

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It's tough to tell since we didn't play any East teams this year, but I think the only two teams that are for sure better than us on paper are Pittsburgh and Boston. Getting Helm back for a full season completely changes the dynamic of our team's physicality.
What's the deal with Helm anyway? I thought they shut him down for the season. Then the next day they say he's close.

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