#1 - Alex Ovechkin
#2 - Ilya Kovalchuk
#3 - Daniel Sedin
#4 - Zach Parise
#5 - Rick Nash
#6 - Patrik Elias
#7 - Patrick Marleau
#8 - Patrick Sharp
#9 - Bobby Ryan
#10 - Thomas Vanek
#11 - Taylor Hall
#12 - Ray Whitney
Lucic is good but I think he's getting a bit too much love here. He's good at the things that make hockey fans go "wow, look at him do that" but he's not nearly as good at the things that actually win hockey games - he's a good skater but not particularly skilled.
Would not be surprised if Lucic is more or less finished his development and is/will continue to be a ~55pt LW who plays the game mean. Fairly unique in the league but his size/strength alone doesn't vault him into the top-15 at his position.
Landeskrog, Skinner, and Steen should be the next three IMO.
Lucic is good but I think he's getting a bit too much love here. He's good at the things that make hockey fans go "wow, look at him do that" but he's not nearly as good at the things that actually win hockey games - he's a good skater but not particularly skilled.
Would not be surprised if Lucic is more or less finished his development and is/will continue to be a ~55pt LW who plays the game mean. Fairly unique in the league but his size/strength alone doesn't vault him into the top-15 at his position.
Landeskrog, Skinner, and Steen should be the next three IMO.
Landeskog is currently a 50pt guy, who isn't as strong in corners as Lucic, isn't as great defensively and definitely not as gritty, and Lucic outscored him in goals, and points while doing all those things better. No way to justify Landeskog being better right now considering Lucic has put up 2 60 point seasons consecutively now.
You do realize he only scored 52 points last year? He's not for a while IMO.
Voted Lucic.
Lucic's minutes were eased by Marchand, Peverly, and Bergeron, who all took tougher minutes than him. Landeskrog faced the toughest competition of any forward on the Avalanche (think of the job that Jordan Staal or Dave Bolland does).
Lucic scored 61 points playing against 2nd liners, and his most common linemates were Krejci, Horton, and Chara.
Landeskrog scored 52 points playing against 1st liners, and his most common linemates were O'Reilly, Hejduk, and Hejda.
What Landeskrog did was at least as impressive as what Lucic did, and he did it at age 18, being smaller and shorter. Last year might be the only time that Lucic was even close to Landeskrog.
Lucic's minutes were eased by Marchand, Peverly, and Bergeron, who all took tougher minutes than him. Landeskrog faced the toughest competition of any forward on the Avalanche (think of the job that Jordan Staal or Dave Bolland does).
Lucic scored 61 points playing against 2nd liners, and his most common linemates were Krejci, Horton, and Chara.
Landeskrog scored 52 points playing against 1st liners, and his most common linemates were O'Reilly, Hejduk, and Hejda.
What Landeskrog did was at least as impressive as what Lucic did, and he did it at age 18, being smaller and shorter. Last year might be the only time that Lucic was even close to Landeskrog.
I think you could make a case for either, Lucic brings a completely different element of physicality but Landeskog is much better defensively. Lucic I feel is the "rarer" talent however. His role isnt suppose to be to shut down other teams opposing players, its to physically dominate and score.
As for the whole Lucic had easier minutes than Landeskog, that is not true. Playing in a top 6 role for both, there are no easy minutes. Landeskog plays his role against other teams best offensive players, while Lucic tries to score against other teams best defensive players. Half the time you probably dont even get these matchups anyway.
You cant go wrong with either but your reasons dont seem to be the best thought out.
Can Landy smoke guys like Lucic? can he fight like Lucic?
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Oh right Lucic has a better all round game as well as topping Landeskog by 10~ points, makes it that much easier of a decision I guess.
Points are a big factor for forwards, what do you want to measure them by? +/-?
I hate to use real-time stats, but they definitely do have some truth to them. People love to say Lucic hits a lot but Landeskog had more last year. He also had more takeaways. And while +/- isn't a great stat, there is a big difference between a +21 and a +7 especially considering the top 5 guys are Bruins and the next best Av is a +7 at Wilson who didn't even play half the season.
I like Lucic and he is great but If I was picking one for my team, I would pick Landeskog.
I hate to use real-time stats, but they definitely do have some truth to them. People love to say Lucic hits a lot but Landeskog had more last year. He also had more takeaways. And while +/- isn't a great stat, there is a big difference between a +21 and a +7 especially considering the top 5 guys are Bruins and the next best Av is a +7 at Wilson who didn't even play half the season.
I like Lucic and he is great but If I was picking one for my team, I would pick Landeskog.
And in 2010 Tom Gilbert outhit Chris Pronger wtf is your point? Hits are about quality not quantity.
