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01-02-2013, 03:19 PM
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The entire Russian team is disappointing. What happened to exciting, fast-paced, high scoring Russian hockey? Their coaches have that team in constant lockdown mode.

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From CZE it's Musil, Faksa.

I must also mention Finland.

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I think he has his fair share of ES points. Can't comment much about being "sheltered" or not. Does sheltered mean he's not playing against top D pairings? Or that he's playing against a defensive/checking/grinding line instead of the other team's top offensive line?

Anyways, not every center needs to be a defensive, two-way specialist in the mold of Mike Richards or Tomas Plekanec, taking face-offs in the D zone.

I think your comments, my friend, are a result of the RNH mystique . He has a very, very good hockey IQ - sometimes one is just left wondering how his plays tend to result in goals being scored without it being this flashy setup or incredible shot. Point is, he simply makes things happen.
Only a habs fan would put those two together in the same sentence referring to 2-way play.

But yeah its far from sheltered. He's just not playing in defensive situations (what 1st line on the planet does?). He's on the team to score, and he's doing that. He's playing tons of offensive minutes including the PP.

RNH could be the best PKer on this team, but whats the point in having your best guy blocking shots and losing energy for late game offensive situations?

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The entire Russian team is disappointing. What happened to exciting, fast-paced, high scoring Russian hockey? Their coaches have that team in constant lockdown mode.
It was shocking to see them forechecking only with one guy when they were down a goal with less than 8 minutes to play. And even that was one guy was doing a half-assed job at it. Either their coaching is completely inept or their players very undisciplined. Probably a bit (or a lot) of both.

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01-02-2013, 03:27 PM
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Only a habs fan would put those two together in the same sentence referring to 2-way play.

But yeah its far from sheltered. He's just not playing in defensive situations (what 1st line on the planet does?). He's on the team to score, and he's doing that. He's playing tons of offensive minutes including the PP.

RNH could be the best PKer on this team, but whats the point in having your best guy blocking shots and losing energy for late game offensive situations?
Cause all 1st liners in the NHL PK!

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01-02-2013, 03:31 PM
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Had expected more from Jonas Brodin,Hampus Lindholm,Oskar Klefbom and Mika Zinebejad, Pretty invisible!
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With the exception of Finland, two players have disappointed me the most as well: David Musil and Nail Yakupov. Musil has really heavy feet and he has taken a lot of penalties. He simply has had a lot of trouble with faster forwards. I expected much more from him. Yakupov has not been scoring much. Also, I have to say that Faksa is a guy who has not impressed me in this tournament. Very invisible in the games that I have seen.

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Yakupov - been invisible in a tourny he should have dominated

Hamilton - mediocre at best but was expected to be Canada's number 1 guy

Jones - hasn't shown why he is a potential number 1 pick. He's just been okay

Barkov - Was hoping he would make a significant contribution and lead Finland to a potential medal. Just didnt happen

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01-02-2013, 04:31 PM
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I see what Yakushev72 is getting at in his post and I agree with him a bit.

RNH has been used as a PP specialist and has received very sheltered minutes. You can bet if there is a favorable offensive zone faceoff, that you'll see #9 out there more often than not. Considering all the penalties in the tourney, he has received an obscene amount of PP time. I'm curious to know the TOI breakdown for him and his line because they've been getting big time sheltered minutes. It may be the coaching staff, but it could also be construed as indictment's to RNH's overall game or lack thereof to be more specific. I'm honestly having a hard time deciding if it's because of how he's being used or if he's being used in this way for a reason.

To be a franchise #1C that so many are quick to label him, I want more than what has so far been a very one dimensional tourney for him. If he doesn't put up points (mainly on the PP) then he has had very little impact on the game. I think it's pretty telling that we rarely see him take a defensive zone faceoff all game (definitely not late in the game) and that Schiefele is called upon to take the draw in important situations. He's been very ordinary in ES play whenever we actually get to see more than a shift before a penalty is called. His impact has almost been solely on the PP in the tougher games against the USA and Russia.

I'm sorry, but I'm left wanting a lot more from the young man who is described as 'head and shoulders' above the rest by so many.
I say this with all seriousness...I have never heard him called '"head and shoulders" above the rest' by anyone in Canada.

In terms of number one overall picks, the hype he received as an 18 year old even in his own country was modest at best, and described as "the best player in a weak draft year" by many.

He is a very good player. No one up here expected him to dominate this tournament. I know I sure didn't. I thought if he led in scoring by a point or two, that would be a fantastic accomplishment.

He has been far more physical than I ever expected, so that is one aspect where he has actually exceeded my expectations. On draws he is terrible, that is true.

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01-02-2013, 04:37 PM
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Hamilton has not been disappointing. He and Harrington have been an elite shut-down pair, and that is the role that has been asked of them.

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Hamilton has not been disappointing. He and Harrington have been an elite shut-down pair, and that is the role that has been asked of them.
I think by putting Hamilton on the top PP unit they are expecting a bit more of out him points wise.

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Pretty sure he scored a perfectly placed one-time blast on the PP last game.

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01-02-2013, 06:17 PM
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Most of RNH's points come from Jordan Eberle's unsustainable shooting percentage.

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01-02-2013, 06:35 PM
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I see what Yakushev72 is getting at in his post and I agree with him a bit.

RNH has been used as a PP specialist and has received very sheltered minutes. You can bet if there is a favorable offensive zone faceoff, that you'll see #9 out there more often than not. Considering all the penalties in the tourney, he has received an obscene amount of PP time. I'm curious to know the TOI breakdown for him and his line because they've been getting big time sheltered minutes. It may be the coaching staff, but it could also be construed as indictment's to RNH's overall game or lack thereof to be more specific. I'm honestly having a hard time deciding if it's because of how he's being used or if he's being used in this way for a reason.

To be a franchise #1C that so many are quick to label him, I want more than what has so far been a very one dimensional tourney for him. If he doesn't put up points (mainly on the PP) then he has had very little impact on the game. I think it's pretty telling that we rarely see him take a defensive zone faceoff all game (definitely not late in the game) and that Schiefele is called upon to take the draw in important situations. He's been very ordinary in ES play whenever we actually get to see more than a shift before a penalty is called. His impact has almost been solely on the PP in the tougher games against the USA and Russia.

I'm sorry, but I'm left wanting a lot more from the young man who is described as 'head and shoulders' above the rest by so many.
I'm pretty sure a large portion of RNH's points have come at even strength because Canadas PP has been dreadful (something I didn't expect to happen with RNH on the team).

RNH is very bad on draws, but his playstyle compliments the center position perfectly, because of that he's not going to be taking many important defensive zone faceoffs, why risk it when there's better options on the team?

I could just be a homer but watching him play, how easily he steals the puck away from his opponents, how quick his decision making is, how perfect his passes are it shows to me that he is head and shoulders above the competition, he's just not going to play a completely different style of game just because he's in a jr tournament.

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I see what Yakushev72 is getting at in his post and I agree with him a bit.

RNH has been used as a PP specialist and has received very sheltered minutes. You can bet if there is a favorable offensive zone faceoff, that you'll see #9 out there more often than not. Considering all the penalties in the tourney, he has received an obscene amount of PP time. I'm curious to know the TOI breakdown for him and his line because they've been getting big time sheltered minutes. It may be the coaching staff, but it could also be construed as indictment's to RNH's overall game or lack thereof to be more specific. I'm honestly having a hard time deciding if it's because of how he's being used or if he's being used in this way for a reason.

To be a franchise #1C that so many are quick to label him, I want more than what has so far been a very one dimensional tourney for him. If he doesn't put up points (mainly on the PP) then he has had very little impact on the game. I think it's pretty telling that we rarely see him take a defensive zone faceoff all game (definitely not late in the game) and that Schiefele is called upon to take the draw in important situations. He's been very ordinary in ES play whenever we actually get to see more than a shift before a penalty is called. His impact has almost been solely on the PP in the tougher games against the USA and Russia.

I'm sorry, but I'm left wanting a lot more from the young man who is described as 'head and shoulders' above the rest by so many.
When SephF said that Nugent-Hopkins is the kind of guy you don't really notice, it rang true because there were a lot of Canadian players that I definitely noticed making plays against Russia, but I don't remember Nugent-Hopkins being one of them. At least one of his assists was on a power play goal (he passed it to someone who one-timed it) that was featured on the TV broadcast, but it struck me as being a very ordinary kind of pass that most players on the power play would make. When someone is definitively labeled as "the best junior hockey player in the World," it seems to me that you should notice his presence on the ice. He should be doing things that makes you say, "Wow, that was a great play - he reminds me of..." It doesn't ring true to say that the guy is the best in the World, but you really don't notice him on the ice. No, the ones you don't notice are the ones who are middle of the rung or below.

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01-02-2013, 08:16 PM
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When SephF said that Nugent-Hopkins is the kind of guy you don't really notice, it rang true because there were a lot of Canadian players that I definitely noticed making plays against Russia, but I don't remember Nugent-Hopkins being one of them. At least one of his assists was on a power play goal (he passed it to someone who one-timed it) that was featured on the TV broadcast, but it struck me as being a very ordinary kind of pass that most players on the power play would make. When someone is definitively labeled as "the best junior hockey player in the World," it seems to me that you should notice his presence on the ice. He should be doing things that makes you say, "Wow, that was a great play - he reminds me of..." It doesn't ring true to say that the guy is the best in the World, but you really don't notice him on the ice. No, the ones you don't notice are the ones who are middle of the rung or below.
RNH has been Canadas best player, not sure what more you should expect. I've obviously been watching him very closely and it's painfully obvious that he doesn't belong at this level.

He makes plays all the time that make me say "Wow, this kid is good!". But like I said earlier, he's the type of guy who even if you don't really notice, you'll look at the end of the night at the score sheet and see that he racked up 2 assists. Special player.

Heres a highlight package from his first 38 games in the NHL. Look how many plays make you say "wow" and remember it's only the first 38 games he played in the NHL.


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I have a hard time with the lack of team chemistry discussions in this thread. Form a team that hasn't played together and get them to commit and bond as fast as possible ... that's not easy for any coach at any level.

Mackinnon is doing great ... limited role but you have to get the older guys to show the way at that age imho. Its an age where one or two years older/younger means a lot ... and to preach respect sometimes means the older guys will get the nod before the younger guys ... to some extent. They are expected to ''show the way'' ... thats part of building a pack mentality imho, no one should be offended Mac played a limited role. Pretty sure he's the first to get the nod for extra icetime if we need a spark, im sure.

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Grimaldi. He's supposed to be some offensive dynamo, but he looks like an unpolished, 5'5 Mason Raymond. All he's done is skate fast.

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Olli Maatta - no points, even with the Finns scoring 8 against the Germans today. I figured for a 1st rounder he would be contributing a little more.

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You obviously have not seen Nuge play before. He is not about end-to-end rushes. He is about puck possession, patience, and finding gaps.

I know that Russia loves its big end-to-end run and gun style goals....but you almost got eliminated by the Swiss today with that style.

I am not saying it doesn't occasionally work, because it does. But it also translates into some poor team play at times as well.
exactly RNH isn't a flashy, dangly, spin-o-rama type player. Hes done exactly what was expected from the coaching staff. That Russian game style is basically the same style you see Ovechkin play and doesn't really work that well. Maybe 1 or 2 years but after that teams catch on and can easily shut it down.

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LMAO at people saying Galchenyuk in this thread... Kuraly seems like he can't do anything right in this tournament so far... Housley stacked the first line and he's expecting to pair up Gally with scrubs and magically make them great players. When Galchenyuk's line is on the ice, there seems to be constant play stoppages and broken plays because Kuraly is just so behind when it comes to skill set and hockey IQ... painful to watch, TBH.

Gally has 8 points playing with mediocre players and barely logging any icetime. Give him good linemates, and he'd be ripping it up. What doesn't make sense to me, is that USA scored only 1 goal against Russia and Canada, and while they have piled up the goals against the weaker teams that they played, at the end of the day you can't have your best player sit on the bench and play with guys that can't keep up and that have zero chemistry with him.

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The Russians and their coaching - The Red Machine forgot how to play like a team. Haven't seen that many one man vs the world rushes per game by a team since the Oilers last lost 20 straight.

The German team - Not much expected of them, but to come in and not even be competitive? They can't be too happy within that program right now.

I know it says players, but it's such a short tournament and there seems more issues with the overall team aspects than individual players standing out as disappointments.

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eh.. RNH is a really good player, but I'll agree that he is far from flashy, for now. And that's just the style. His technique and skill are very sharp though. I think he'll develop into a Datsyuk-style forward in his mid-late twenties.

Anyway, he is far and away the best forward at this Tourny, like Kuznetsov was last year.
I don't think RNH will be like Datsyuk. He surely is excellently skilled, but Yakushev72 got it right: his hockey is all about doing right things at the right time (doing very well, no kidding), while Datsyuk is a wow-plays specialist.
When I was watching the Oilers game, I always thought that he must be his coaches' favorite player ever. Can expect him to do what his coach asks from A to Z.

This once again shows that NHL #1 draft pick isn't the most talented or the best player, it's the player who's expected to play his hockey at the NHL level.

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When SephF said that Nugent-Hopkins is the kind of guy you don't really notice, it rang true because there were a lot of Canadian players that I definitely noticed making plays against Russia, but I don't remember Nugent-Hopkins being one of them. At least one of his assists was on a power play goal (he passed it to someone who one-timed it) that was featured on the TV broadcast, but it struck me as being a very ordinary kind of pass that most players on the power play would make. When someone is definitively labeled as "the best junior hockey player in the World," it seems to me that you should notice his presence on the ice. He should be doing things that makes you say, "Wow, that was a great play - he reminds me of..." It doesn't ring true to say that the guy is the best in the World, but you really don't notice him on the ice. No, the ones you don't notice are the ones who are middle of the rung or below.
Ok, let's be reasonable here. I wouldn't call RNH middle of the rung or below. The kid is an excellent talent and an emerging star in the NHL. He is one of the studs in the tourney.

But that's what leaves me disappointed in his play. Yes, he is leading the tourney in points. The Germany game was a stat padding affair. So was the Slovakia game to an extent. My criticism stems from the games against the USA and Russia - legitimate competition. His goal in the USA game was a beauty, very Eberle-like. That was early in the game and then he was pretty ordinary the rest of the game. Again, he got gobs of PP time and favorable offensive zone draws at ES the entire game - sheltered minutes. Yeah, he's not flashy and he relies on his hockey sense like so many are chirping... he should be making more of an impact at ES in a 'lowly' Junior tournament when he's a #1C in the NHL. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in expecting that.

As for the Russia game, his stat line looked great. 3 assists. 2 PP assists during Nichushkin's major, a feed to Hamilton who's lazer did most of the work and touching the puck in a goal mouth scramble which Sheifele eventually potted through some hard work. Nothing really earth shattering there and considering he was out there for what seemed like 4 minutes out of the 5 in the PP. In any case, he's a PP specialist so he'll get his points. His other assist was a simple soft shot to the net intended to keep the play going which was finished off by a sweet play by Drouin. Drouin was by far the best player on that line the rest of the game, deservedly getting the POG afterwards. If not for Drouin, RNH had little impact at ES again. The coach is quick to throw him out there in any offensive zone faceoff, but it's as if they are scared almost to get him out there in any big defensive situation. So Canada's best player is MIA in a close game late in the game, that's not a good thing. His brain fart at the end of the Russia game didn't help either.

Am I being harsh, could be. I'm just underwhelmed in his overall play. His points have been REALLY quiet and I don't get why people are so overjoyed with that fact? Saying that's his style and this and that... There's more to the game than just points, there are other ways to make an impact in other phases of the game. Past players who had dominant tourneys showed up and had a much larger presence during the games IMO. I've seen enough of him just pulling up at the right boards and looking for a pass. Go attack the net and make something happen rather than playing so passively. Oh yeah, it's his style to play that way.

I expect more from him now that it's crunch time. Hopefully with Drouin, they can build on how they looked in the last game. RNH needs to impress more than a 17 year old draft eligible, that wasn't the case last game.

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