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Jake Gardiner + for the 1st overall selection in 2013 Draft

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12-31-2012, 08:19 PM
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Just a thought here but, we all know Burke likes to weave his magic on draft day. One of his best trades happened on draft day, of course I'm reffering to how he was able to nab both of the Sedins. So, my though process is this...maybe Burke will want to nab the Mooseheads linemates this year?

Here goes... (if the year gets wiped out due to the lockout, the odds are that Edmonton will yet again land the 1st overall selection)


To 1st overall team (Edm?):
Joe Colborne
Tyler Biggs
Jake Gardiner
Korbinain Holzer
2nd in 2013

To Toronto:
1st overall selection (Nathan MacKinnon)


Than Toronto, with their own selection, odds are it will be around 4th, would select Jonathan Drouin.

Thoughts?

(My understanding is that the NHL would complie a list of the NHL's worst teams based on the last three seasons, and give them draft balls accordingly, of course I could be wrong)
If I'm Burke, I would go for it, but I would do anything to not get rid of Jake Gardiner. Getting both Mackinnon and Drouin would definitely make up for the assets lost.

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12-31-2012, 08:28 PM
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Pulock + Gardiner would do more for a D corpse than Jones alone imo
Debatable if Jones lives up to the extremely high ceiling he has. That said, the Oil likely wouldn't go with a D. And in all honesty, despite our need down the middle, I'd go with Drouin over Barkov or Monohan. I really think that kid has Giroux type potential.

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So it's Gardiner for the 1st overall. Not a chance.

The rest is just a bunch of irrelevant players who will probably never play in the NHL on a regular basis.

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That's interesting. I wonder who would end up with 1st overall than?
Columbus gained one ball via trade in addition to their three

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Columbus gained one ball via trade in addition to their three
Two, right? One each for NYR and LA?

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Two, right? One each for NYR and LA?
You are correct.

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Lol imagine Columbus draft 1st, 2nd and 3rd

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Lol imagine Columbus draft 1st, 2nd and 3rd
It is possible.... But unlikely. and they would probably still screw it up.

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It is possible.... But unlikely. and they would probably still screw it up.
Trade 1st overall for Jankowski

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If the Leafs are picking inside the top five i dont see the point. Kessel will look just as good on one of the top Cs wing as Mackinnon + Drouin.

Not worth giving up the package u described

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So it's Gardiner for the 1st overall. Not a chance.

The rest is just a bunch of irrelevant players who will probably never play in the NHL on a regular basis.
this, and this should be a rule for proposals. if you are offering multiple players for one or two in return, you are trying to equalize value that doesnt exist in real GM's minds. for example, Joe Colbourne has no value anymore

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If I was a gm, the thought of picking 1/2 after watching the juniors, scares the hell outta me! 4/5 seems far more sable!

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Just a thought here but, we all know Burke likes to weave his magic on draft day. One of his best trades happened on draft day, of course I'm reffering to how he was able to nab both of the Sedins. So, my though process is this...maybe Burke will want to nab the Mooseheads linemates this year?

Here goes... (if the year gets wiped out due to the lockout, the odds are that Edmonton will yet again land the 1st overall selection)


To 1st overall team (Edm?):
Joe Colborne
Tyler Biggs
Jake Gardiner
Korbinain Holzer
2nd in 2013

To Toronto:
1st overall selection (Nathan MacKinnon)


Than Toronto, with their own selection, odds are it will be around 4th, would select Jonathan Drouin.

Thoughts?

(My understanding is that the NHL would complie a list of the NHL's worst teams based on the last three seasons, and give them draft balls accordingly, of course I could be wrong)
Chances of EDM winning the lottery are pretty slim. But if they somehow were to own the 1st overall pick, I would rather Tambellini use the pick to acquire a youngish 2C and a veteran d-man who could step into the top 4 right away.

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To be honest, I'd rather get the 2014 1st overall pick to draft Connor McDavid.
People literally say this the year before any draft. "Oh I'd rather wait for MacKinnon" was last year. Year before was "Oh I'd rather wait for Yakupov". It annoys me so much, why are people so fascinated with future drafts? Always talking up the NEXT one...until it's the upcoming one.

Anyway, it would start with Gardiner and its a good start but no team would want that deadweight coming back with him.

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If Edmonton rounds up another first overall, i dont see them trading it away unless its a massive overpayment, where is the motivation for Edmonton to give up their pick?

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if its mtl that have that first.

no thanks.

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this, and this should be a rule for proposals. if you are offering multiple players for one or two in return, you are trying to equalize value that doesnt exist in real GM's minds. for example, Joe Colbourne has no value anymore
You must be a real GM.

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You must be a real GM.
be careful I saw a guy made a post on a trade that involved Brewer and Johnson and they both got traded 1 week later.

not kidding. but probably just a coincidence.

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be careful I saw a guy made a post on a trade that involved Brewer and Johnson and they both got traded 1 week later.

not kidding. but probably just a coincidence.
Probably.


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To be honest, I'd rather get the 2014 1st overall pick to draft Connor McDavid.
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No thanks. I'd rather keep our depth.
One blue chip and a lot of loose change? No, thanks. I'd pull the trigger on the trade.

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As an Oilers fan, this is an easy no!

Unless you are talking about Kessel, Gardiner and Rielly.
There's no Crosby in this draft.

It all depends on who has the pick. Is the team deep in forwards or defencemen?

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Burke would need to offer Kessel (& that's IF the team with 1st overall is a winger away from the playoffs). Otherwise what could Burke offer a team that they couldn't just draft themselves with the #1 overall? Young franchise center: Mackinnon.. Young franchise dman: Jones.

No chance Gardiner + scraps lands 1st overall pick.

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Just a thought here but, we all know Burke likes to weave his magic on draft day. One of his best trades happened on draft day, of course I'm reffering to how he was able to nab both of the Sedins.

I don't know if I'd call Burke's 50/50 work "magic". Yes, the Sedin moves were great. But in 2008, Anaheim had #12, wanted Erik Karlsson, and thought by trading 12 for 17 and 26(?), that he would still get Karlsson, plus another player. Well, he outthought himself, and opened the door for Murray to trade up from 18 to 15 to nab EK. Should have just taken Karlsson at 12.

One good, one bad. 50/50


Picking #4, I'd just stay there, or maybe try for 3. It's hard to say who among the top 5 will be best for sure. They are all potentially great.

As for the package, Colbourne is worth maybe a 3rd rounder (see Filatov), Holzer a 4th; Biggs a late 1st, and Gardiner a 1st. Not even close to the value of #1 overall.

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I don't know if I'd call Burke's 50/50 work "magic". Yes, the Sedin moves were great. But in 2008, Anaheim had #12, wanted Erik Karlsson, and thought by trading 12 for 17 and 26(?), that he would still get Karlsson, plus another player. Well, he outthought himself, and opened the door for Murray to trade up from 18 to 15 to nab EK. Should have just taken Karlsson at 12.

One good, one bad. 50/50


Picking #4, I'd just stay there, or maybe try for 3. It's hard to say who among the top 5 will be best for sure. They are all potentially great.

As for the package, Colbourne is worth maybe a 3rd rounder (see Filatov), Holzer a 4th; Biggs a late 1st, and Gardiner a 1st. Not even close to the value of #1 overall.
Colborne = 2nd/3rd
Holzer = 3rd
Biggs = 1st
Gardiner = 1st + 1st (my opinion)
2nd = 2nd

So, in my opinion, the worst case scenario would equate to...

1st + 1st + 1st + 2nd + 3rd + 3rd for MacKinnon.

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