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01-11-2013, 06:50 PM
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2003 NHL Draft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NHL_Entry_Draft

One of the best ever?

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Certainly. Lockout helped too a bit.

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Not so sure about best ever tag.

Certainly not for Vancouver as only Kesler panned out along with Nolan (6 NHL Games) and Nathan "don't call me Norm" McIver with 36.

Some of the players did seem to benefit from the lockout, like Kesler, but it's hard to figure out how they would have turned out without it too.

Might need to look at the 02 and 03 draft and how guys developed in that lockout year in the AHL to have a more complete picture.

The lockout this year sure seems to have helped a couple of players with time down on the farm but we won't have those results back for a while yet.

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It is one of the best ever, but like the 1979 draft, it's one of the best ever based on a technicality and a change in rules, not because it was an exceptional crop of players.

2003 was the year the NHL did away with the 'opt-in' rule for US college players, so there were essentially two years worth of American players in the draft.

Vanek, Parise, Stuart, Kesler, Tambellini, and Eaves were all '2002' guys who got left behind a year because of that rule. Take those guys out and the 2003 draft gets a lot more average.

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Not so sure about best ever tag.

Certainly not for Vancouver as only Kesler panned out along with Nolan (6 NHL Games) and Nathan "don't call me Norm" McIver with 36.

Some of the players did seem to benefit from the lockout, like Kesler, but it's hard to figure out how they would have turned out without it too.

Might need to look at the 02 and 03 draft and how guys developed in that lockout year in the AHL to have a more complete picture.

The lockout this year sure seems to have helped a couple of players with time down on the farm but we won't have those results back for a while yet.
I think it's mostly speculation as to how much of an effect the lockout actually had on the players. It was seen as a fantastic draft well before everyone panned out with guys in the late first who would go top 10 in a lot of years. Like I remember when the 2004 draft happened and there was a lot of talk that Barker, who went 3rd that year, was a demonstrably worse prospect than the guys who went 7th, 8th and 9th in 2003. And in many ways it's not as if an extraordinary number of the 2003 guys panned out as guys like Horton, Zherdev, Kostitsyn and Stewart played well below expectations and guys like Jessiman and Eaves got destroyed by injuries.

And for Vancouver, any draft where you're picking 23rd and you get a guy like Kesler is a real good draft. I could certainly see it not being the best ever because the top end of it isn't quite so spectacular as some drafts but depth wise it's unmatched.

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03 draft

36 guys with more than 100 points
1 goalie with over 400 GP
2 goalies with over 200 GP
5 goalies with over 100 GP

01 draft

37 guys with more than 100 points
6 goalies with over 200 GP
9 goalies with over 100 GP

Which one has more depth?

Not sure about all of the claims being made for the 03 draft and many still have their careers to play out as well.

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03 draft

36 guys with more than 100 points
1 goalie with over 400 GP
2 goalies with over 200 GP
5 goalies with over 100 GP

01 draft

37 guys with more than 100 points
6 goalies with over 200 GP
9 goalies with over 100 GP

Which one has more depth?

Not sure about all of the claims being made for the 03 draft and many still have their careers to play out as well.
Maybe 2001 had more depth, but certainly you can't call it a better draft.
2001 had eight players from that draft play in the all-star game while 2003 has had 22.

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03 draft

36 guys with more than 100 points
1 goalie with over 400 GP
2 goalies with over 200 GP
5 goalies with over 100 GP

01 draft

37 guys with more than 100 points
6 goalies with over 200 GP
9 goalies with over 100 GP

Which one has more depth?

Not sure about all of the claims being made for the 03 draft and many still have their careers to play out as well.
Richardson, Fehr, Hejda, and Quincey will all probably break 100 this year. Howard will break 200 GP, as will Elliott. There is considerably less goalie depth though.

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Give me the 2003 draft anyday over 2001. There were some players that didn't turn out in that draft as well. Sure there is Spezza and Kovalchuk but there are also high picks like Svitov, Chistov, Blackburn, Kobasew, etc. The 2003 draft was deep. Shea Weber was the 49th overall pick. The first three players selected have won a Cup. Then there are other top notch players like Getzlaf, Perry, Richards, Parise, Suter, Phaneuf, Hartsburg, Carter, Seabrook, Fehr, Kesler. And that's only the first round.

That being said, I'll still give 1979 it's due as the #1 draft. Gartner, Ramage, Vaive, Bourque, Propp, Goulet and Lowe in the first round. The first 41/42 picks all played in the NHL. Other notables in this draft were Hunter, Naslund, Messier, Carboneau, Graham, Anton Stastny, Steen, Anderson, Krusher, Lindbergh, Broten. That top shelf talent is huge and 2003 won't duplicate that. It is also a deep draft and have 5 HHOFers in there along with three by my count who are close and Lindbergh who would have been in there had he not gotten behind the wheel.

Give me 1979 with all due respect to 2003. In fairness, we also know how each career panned out in 1979, in 2003 the guys are still 27.

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Bad year for my Bruins.

Traded down so that Devils could get Parise, then left players like Kesler, Perry and Richards on the board by taking Mark Stuart.

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03 draft

36 guys with more than 100 points
1 goalie with over 400 GP
2 goalies with over 200 GP
5 goalies with over 100 GP

01 draft

37 guys with more than 100 points
6 goalies with over 200 GP
9 goalies with over 100 GP

Which one has more depth?

Not sure about all of the claims being made for the 03 draft and many still have their careers to play out as well.
So you're saying the draft that happened two years earlier has players with more points and more games played? No way!

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Bad year for my Bruins.

Traded down so that Devils could get Parise, then left players like Kesler, Perry and Richards on the board by taking Mark Stuart.
Got Bergeron thou in 2nd

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It is one of the best ever, but like the 1979 draft, it's one of the best ever based on a technicality and a change in rules, not because it was an exceptional crop of players.

2003 was the year the NHL did away with the 'opt-in' rule for US college players, so there were essentially two years worth of American players in the draft.

Vanek, Parise, Stuart, Kesler, Tambellini, and Eaves were all '2002' guys who got left behind a year because of that rule. Take those guys out and the 2003 draft gets a lot more average.
IIRC the NHL did away with the opt-in rule in 05, not in 03. Paul Stastny was the last big name player to use the opt out option in their draft year (2004), I really wanted the Canes to use their 2nd on him that year if he hadn't taken that route.

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So you're saying the draft that happened two years earlier has players with more points and more games played? No way!
Yes that was obvious but then again I was replying to the post that stated that 03 had the ebst depth hands down.

It's all rather subjective, I glanced at the 05 draft with Sid and while that draft has less depth overall it has 4 top notch starting goalies.

Like someone already mentioned the 03 draft had the special circumstance of the college opt in rule (some of those guys certainly would ahve been taken in 02).

The 79 draft as well as having the WHA picks had the luxury of guys playing in an inflated statistical era of the 80's with the NHL going from 17-21 teams thus allowing the 79 draft guys an easier entrance into the NHL with more and better opportunities.

It's still early but if one talks only about position players 08 is looking extremely good, especially in terms of impact players.

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Jeez, look at the last round:
263- Matt Moulson
265- Tanner Glass
271- Jaroslav Halak
287- Nick Tarnasky
288- David Jones
291- Brian Elliot

That's pretty good. Granted it is only 9 rounds, (although in 2005 they went to 7 rounds, which may explain why more FA's make the NHL than in the past I guess?), but no other final round really comes close.

Although the 1994 9th round was amazing:
9 GK's picked, including:
217- Tim Thomas
218- Johan Hedberg
219- Evegni Nabakov
226- Tomas Vokoun
229- John Grahame
also:
221- Bill Muckalt
233- Steve Sullivan
234- Eric Boulton

The following year, 1995, the NHL pared the draft to 9 rounds from 12.

1996 had:
223- Craig Adams
228- Ronald Petrovicky
239- Sami Salo

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That being said, I'll still give 1979 it's due as the #1 draft. Gartner, Ramage, Vaive, Bourque, Propp, Goulet and Lowe in the first round. The first 41/42 picks all played in the NHL. Other notables in this draft were Hunter, Naslund, Messier, Carboneau, Graham, Anton Stastny, Steen, Anderson, Krusher, Lindbergh, Broten. That top shelf talent is huge and 2003 won't duplicate that. It is also a deep draft and have 5 HHOFers in there along with three by my count who are close and Lindbergh who would have been in there had he not gotten behind the wheel.

Give me 1979 with all due respect to 2003. In fairness, we also know how each career panned out in 1979, in 2003 the guys are still 27.
Once the '03 draft is behind us and all the players retire it'll be very interesting to see how it stacks up with '79.

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The best player in the 2003 wasn't even drafted in the first round.

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Got Bergeron thou in 2nd
That did work out OK.

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IIRC the NHL did away with the opt-in rule in 05, not in 03. Paul Stastny was the last big name player to use the opt out option in their draft year (2004), I really wanted the Canes to use their 2nd on him that year if he hadn't taken that route.
I'm not sure of the exact specifics, but it was modified at the very least.

This is why you have a pile of otherwise 2002-eligible guys like Kesler and Parise in there along with pure 2003 guys like Suter and Boyle.

It's not a co-incidence that 1979 and 2003 are the best draft years ever - 1979 was essentially 3 drafts in one and 2003 had two full years of US players.

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Yeah, indeed it is one of the best ever. Guys like Getzlaf, Weber, Perry, Vanek and Staal along with so many others are considered superstars in the league today.

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oiler fans do not want to talk about that draft

however the 1979 draft

that is the draft that is legendary

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oiler fans do not want to talk about that draft

however the 1979 draft

that is the draft that is legendary
Most notably who was drafted at the #0 position.


p.s.

He decided to go to Edmonton in the first place instead of Winnipeg because they had just built Northlands Colosseum. The Pacers gave him the choice of which city he wanted to be traded to.

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Most notably who was drafted at the #0 position.


p.s.

He decided to go to Edmonton in the first place instead of Winnipeg because they had just built Northlands Colosseum. The Pacers gave him the choice of which city he wanted to be traded to.
That certainly would have been interesting if he'd gone there instead. I guess Edmonton may have been a contender without him alltogether, not only after 88, but Winnipeg probably would have won twice or something. God knows if they would have gotten Stastny under these conditions, certainly a lot to speculate about, i mean could they have beaten the Islanders one of the years as well?

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It is one of the best ever, but like the 1979 draft, it's one of the best ever based on a technicality and a change in rules, not because it was an exceptional crop of players.
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In addition, the minimum draft age was lowered from 19 to 18. The NHL had been considering lowering the draft age for some time (the WHA did not have a minimum age), and likely timed the decision to lower the draft age to coincide with the merger. The lowering of the draft age caused two years' worth of draft picks to go in the same draft, resulting in what is generally considered one of the best draft classes in NHL Entry Draft history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_NHL_Entry_Draft

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