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01-03-2013, 07:44 PM
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BWC hates Stalberg, anything he says about him should be taken with the world's biggest salt lick.

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01-03-2013, 07:48 PM
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BWC hates Stalberg, anything he says about him should be taken with the world's biggest salt lick.
I have only stated facts

- His production is inflated by his success vs Jackets
- He has been disaster in postseason
- He doesn't play defense

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01-03-2013, 08:04 PM
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I have only stated facts

- His production is inflated by his success vs Jackets
- He has been disaster in postseason
- He doesn't play defense
Heres some facts.

Stalberg is far better offensively
Stalberg finished +14 above Frolik who was-10
Stalbergs speed caused a lot of goals where he didn't manage a point
Stalberg is the better hockey player
Frolik managed just 2pts against that same CLB team

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01-03-2013, 08:22 PM
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Skille never bothered to attempt to play defense
Sure he did- I've never seen anyone work as hard as that poor kid. He was terrible at it but he hustled and tried to hit, and got into the boards on every shift, and gosh darnit that's what matters right?

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01-04-2013, 01:00 AM
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I have only stated facts

- His production is inflated by his success vs Jackets
- He has been disaster in postseason
- He doesn't play defense
If facts are cherrypicking stats to make Stalberg look bad and Frolik look good then yes, you have stated facts.

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01-04-2013, 06:47 AM
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If your not playing the Blue Jackets 6 times a year he is pretty worthless

Probably a 4th rounder at best especially given time and again he goes MIA in playoffs
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Frolik for a 3rd/4th is fair and Stalberg isn't worth more in your world?



Stalberg >>> Frolik

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01-04-2013, 12:42 PM
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Sure he did- I've never seen anyone work as hard as that poor kid. He was terrible at it but he hustled and tried to hit, and got into the boards on every shift, and gosh darnit that's what matters right?
Skille never hustled or attempted to play in his own end with Hawks

Guy was absolute floater/waste in his own end

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01-04-2013, 01:39 PM
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For a little while, that Stalberg-Dowell-Skille line was actually pretty fun to watch as far as 4th lines go. Speed like crazy.

Too bad they couldn't do much else at the time.

Stalberg's obviously improved, but Dowell and Skille haven't really done any better for themselves.

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01-04-2013, 01:41 PM
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I have only stated facts

- His production is inflated by his success vs Jackets
- He has been disaster in postseason
- He doesn't play defense
Pretty much all of the Hawks were a disaster in the post-season the last two years. Pointing the finger at Stalberg is a case of uber-bias when the entire team failed to show up, and he's a complimentary player making $900K. And while they might be facts to you - looking at your posting history with Stalberg, he must have banged both your mom and girlfriend, or run over your dog.

With his speed, he provided and effective fore-check, and was one of the Hawks more consistent physical presences (not saying much there). Also, to completely discount his points against CLM while not taking into account that everyone else got the play the Jackets (or Lightning, Islanders, etc.) that had subpar goaltending is misleading IMO.

If he were moved at the deadline, I'd expect a 2nd round DP or the like. He's a player with limitations that can be a contributor on a winning team though IMO. Assuming there is a season, I'd be surprised if the Hawks would move him at the deadline though, and I'd expect that he'll resign somewhere else as a UFA.

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01-04-2013, 02:07 PM
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Was disappointed when Toronto traded him. Loved his speed and acceleration. His hands get bricky at times, lots of stick squeezing.

Still gets dirty and drives to the net.

can't forget that hes got beauty flow.

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01-04-2013, 09:34 PM
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At like 900K Stalberg was an impressive player, had such immense speed was amazing to watch him burst past people one on one.

His shot was fast and combined with his world class skating he was dynamite, he did back check quite well and I have seen him play live 7 times, he is very hard working.

BWC really dislikes Stalberg, he was wrong about him being "useless" years ago.
he never gives him credit even when his offensive numbers were amazing despite 0 PP time(one of the best in the NHL)

In the post season Stalberg wasn't spectacular but neither were many Blackhawks the past two years. You could say that for loads of the Hawks, especially ones with more ice time.

Stalberg out produced Frolik by a wide margin and Frolik's defensive prowess does not even remotely come close to the EVEN strength production.

At 900k especially, you think a fan of the blackhawk franchise would celebrate such a feat from a player with no PP time, but alas, hate is hate.(HAwks PP was abysmal)

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01-04-2013, 09:38 PM
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Heres some facts.

Stalberg is far better offensively
Stalberg finished +14 above Frolik who was-10
Stalbergs speed caused a lot of goals where he didn't manage a point
Stalberg is the better hockey player
Frolik managed just 2pts against that same CLB team
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01-05-2013, 01:03 PM
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I have only stated facts

- His production is inflated by his success vs Jackets
- He has been disaster in postseason
- He doesn't play defense
Not a single thing you've just said is a fact. Not one.

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01-06-2013, 12:03 PM
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Stalberg is a pretty skilled and very fast, Hawks won't get what he is worth in return. But they should trade him with in the deadline or the draft.

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01-06-2013, 12:30 PM
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Stalberg is a pretty skilled and very fast, Hawks won't get what he is worth in return. But they should trade him with in the deadline or the draft.
I believe that VS will be a UFA after the season, so he's got basically zero value after the trade deadline. Given the Hawks will likely be a contender, I can't see them trading Stalberg unless they've got multiple young guys (Saad, JHayes, KHayes, Beach, Shaw, Smith, etc) who show by the trade deadline that they are ready to contribute.

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01-06-2013, 12:31 PM
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I believe that VS will be a UFA after the season, so he's got basically zero value after the trade deadline. Given the Hawks will likely be a contender, I can't see them trading Stalberg unless they've got multiple young guys (Saad, JHayes, KHayes, Beach, Shaw, Smith, etc) who show by the trade deadline that they are ready to contribute.
Why not trade him at deadline?

We know he wont do anything to help team come playoff time

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01-06-2013, 12:41 PM
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Stalberg is a pretty skilled and very fast, Hawks won't get what he is worth in return. But they should trade him with in the deadline or the draft.
The Hawks won`t get what Stalberg may or may not be worth, because what the Hawks would be selling at this late point is the privilige to overpay a mediocre player. At 800k Stalberg is a wonderful depth player. At 2 million he becomes another Mason Raymond.

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01-06-2013, 01:15 PM
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Why not trade him at deadline?

We know he wont do anything to help team come playoff time
Why not trade Toews as well, because he hasn't done much the last two times in the play-off's? VS was among the lowest paid forwards on the roster during the last two 0play-offs - why should he be held to a higher standard than the core players who were no shows?

Bottom line: you hate Stalberg. I understand that. But the Hawks aren't going to trade Stalberg unless mulitple of the young guys looks like they are ready to contribute more than VS. Due to your biases - you assume that's a guarantee, but for people who are a little more open minded - they understand thats a long shot at this point.

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01-06-2013, 01:18 PM
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I'd take Stalberg back on the Leafs pretty quick.

Not sure what the Hawks need though other than goaltending I guess. T.O. can't help you there.

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I'd take Stalberg back on the Leafs pretty quick.

Not sure what the Hawks need though other than goaltending I guess. T.O. can't help you there.
If the Hawks felt comfortable about the kids replacing him, I'd think the price would be very reasonable (2nd round DP or the equivelant). I'd be surprised though if the Hawks moved him before the deadline after they've gotten a chance to see how close the young guys are to contributing at the NHL level.

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If the Hawks felt comfortable about the kids replacing him, I'd think the price would be very reasonable (2nd round DP or the equivelant). I'd be surprised though if the Hawks moved him before the deadline after they've gotten a chance to see how close the young guys are to contributing at the NHL level.
I'd move a 2nd rounder for Stalberg where I in Burke's shoes. Any way we could expand the trade to include Hjalmarsson?

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01-06-2013, 03:40 PM
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I don't want Stalberg to be a UFA and sign with the wings!

Stalberg-Zetterberg-Franzen

eeeep!

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01-06-2013, 04:18 PM
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package him with Emery and see if you can get a good backup with upside as #1

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Hawks better not trade him!


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01-06-2013, 10:23 PM
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Why would the Hawks trade Stalberg for a 2nd?

Nobody told me the news he was making 5 mill, and we were no longer playoff contenders.

What I have seen for myself is he is incredibly cheap and we don't have any prospects to make as significant of an impact in the top 6 as Viktor.

People like to live in 2010/11 clearly. Look at his production last year and tell me he isn't progressing very well.

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