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RR • Jan. 4 • Finland 11, Slovakia 4

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01-04-2013, 08:25 AM
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No, not the first time. But can you imagine how many points he would get if he played those teams one more time? Of course the points should count if he plays them in the regular tournament.
You seem to be mad. Why u heff to be mad?

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But it should be a new scoring table. That's all i'm saying.
Well I can agree with this totally! But not that you shouldn't score when you play hockey. Its not their fault. They didint try to get to relegation..

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You bring up another good point.... We should also deduct 40% of Ovechkin's points, annually, since he plays in the worst NHL division and faces the crappy teams more than anyone else...
Haha, right, because that's the same thing. EVERYBODY plays those lesser teams the same amount of times. EVERYBODY gets the same chance to put up points. The playoffs, with the best teams, have a seperate scoring table. If your point would be true, it would be a tournament with the worst teams in the NHL that counts in the regular season scoring - when the best teams in the playoffs don't have a chance to participate.

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01-04-2013, 08:26 AM
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No definitely not. But it should be a new scoring table. That's all i'm saying.
No need. There is MVP and all-star awards to reward the very best players of the tournament. Scoring race is meaningless. Armia has zero chance to win any awards in the tournament.

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01-04-2013, 08:27 AM
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Haha, right, because that's the same thing. EVERYBODY plays those lesser teams the same amount of times. EVERYBODY gets the same chance to put up points. The playoffs, with the best teams, have a seperate scoring table. If your point would be true, it would be a tournament with the worst teams in the NHL that counts in the regular season scoring - when the best teams in the playoffs don't have a chance to participate.
That doesn't make RNH better. Hes a disappointment. He didint even win the scoring race, he should be NHL star. And Canada is in the bronze game.


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01-04-2013, 08:28 AM
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That doesn't make RNH better. Hes a disappointment. He didint even win the scoring race, he should be NHL star. And Canada is in the bronze game.

I agree.

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Some people will, some people won't. I know we get to have this debate a lot about Pulkkinen over on the Wings board, where a lot of us remember that he did most of his damage against the lesser teams or once games were out of hand. But there is still a decent crowd you are right that just goes with the end number as the be all end all in the arguments about him.
RNH's points.

Against GER: 1+4
Against SVK: 1+1

He has total 5 game 3+8=11

Drouin's points.

Against GER: 1+1
Against SVK: 0+1

He has total 5 game 2+2=4

Armia's points (before this game).

Against LAT: 0+2
Against CZE: 0
Against SUI: 0+1
Against SWE: 2+0
Against GER: 1+2

He has total 5 game 3+5=8

Barkov's points (before this game).

Against LAT: 0
Against CZE: 0
Against SUI: 0+1
Against SWE: 0+2
Against GER: 2+0

He has total 5 game 2+3=5

So there is not so much difference?

Also don't forget exhibition game's against FIN-CAN and FIN-USA.

Yes, this tournament go to the toilet from Fins, but these some individual players has potential and top skills.

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01-04-2013, 08:31 AM
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I think we all agree with Jim Morrison that relegation rounds should have a separate scoring table but it is what it is.

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RNH's points.
They actually played Slovakia and Germany in the first round. That makes it up, they are so much easier than Swiss are. Well Latvia, that's one easy we had, but that takes credit away from RNH

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01-04-2013, 08:33 AM
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I think we all agree with Jim Morrison that relegation rounds should have a separate scoring table but it is what it is.
Yes, and i'm not saying that he shouldn't score points. He should do everything in his power to keep Finland in the best division. All i'm saying is, well yeah, what you just said.

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01-04-2013, 08:33 AM
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I think we all agree with Jim Morrison that relegation rounds should have a separate scoring table but it is what it is.
Yes I agree and I know that the scores dont really mean that you are the best when you score there, but what can you do.

You cant blame the players for playing the game. Change the scoring table-system, I say dont cry about scoring.

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Seems like Armia and Granlund want to leave the team with a good impression. Good for them.

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They actually played Slovakia and Germany in the first round. That makes it up, they are so much easier than Swiss are. Well Latvia, that's one easy we had, but that takes credit away from RNH
Slovaks pushed hard in that game. Canada was in trouble with them for long time. Slovaks obviously were more motivated against Canada and Russia. It's basically complitely different team.

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They actually played Slovakia and Germany in the first round. That makes it up, they are so much easier than Swiss are. Well Latvia, that's one easy we had, but that takes credit away from RNH
Yes.

RNH has total point's against top teams 3 games 1+3=4
Drouin 3games 0+1=1

Armia 1 game 2+0=2
Barkov 1 game 0+2=2

Swiss is good team:

Armia against Swiss: 1 game 0+1=1
Barkov 1 game 0+1=1

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It's great that Armia wants to leave the U20s on a high note and actually bothered to show up and I hope it means good things for his future career, but that doesn't change the fact that if he'd shown up this way in the games against SUI and CZE, it's unlikely that we'd be playing in the relegation round right now. He didn't play like he should've (sure, neither did a lot of others), but he's got such a huge potential that I'm not willing to give him mercy here. He could've made a difference, but didn't do it when it counted the most.

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Slovaks pushed hard in that game. Canada was in trouble with them for long time. Slovaks obviously were more motivated against Canada and Russia. It's basically complitely different team.
Yes, and Finland did play maybe 50% their potential in Preliminary round.

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01-04-2013, 08:48 AM
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Yes.

RNH has total point's against top teams 3 games 1+3=4
Drouin 3games 0+1=1

Armia 1 game 2+0=2
Barkov 1 game 0+2=2

Swiss is good team:

Armia against Swiss: 1 game 0+1=1
Barkov 1 game 0+1=1
Barkov and Armia was 0+0 against czechs and that team is atleast as good as swiss. You're complitely ignoring it.

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01-04-2013, 08:51 AM
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I really hope Armia wins the scoring title - simply due to this thread.

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7:4 this is a scoring fest

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Yes, and Finland did play maybe 50% their potential in Preliminary round.
No offense, I hate this arguement. 50% of potential - or this game isn't as important as a another game..... This is what fans of every team say when they lose - in some way they didn't play up to their potential. This isn't just a 1 game sample, but a tourney that is viewed as the highest level for players under the age of 20.

Believe it or not, each team is trying to win. Each team wants to make a statement for their country. Yes, they may be disapointed about what they are playing for, but the fact of the matter is you are still trying to win and another player will still drive you into the board if they get a chance.

All of these kids are competitive on a lot of levels. They have to be to get where they are.

Potential is based on what a FAN feels their team should do. Doesn't take into account the other teams, chemistry, game plan. And most importantly - ALL BASED ON OPPINION AND IT EVEN VARIES BETWEEN THE SAME TEAMS FANS.

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So I am guessing the D is not that tight in this game...

11 goals already.

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Have they brought in football goals?

8-4.

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Believe it or not, each team is trying to win.
Yes, but trying is not everything. If you go to play like you have already won before even game start, you won't get everything for your self and if you motivation is start lazy, you can't restart that in game anymore.

Do you really think that Finland play now also like 110%, no they playing like street hockey in they backyards and it's something like 20-50% waht they could play.

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I would have liked to see this game. Damn you katsomo!

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