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01-11-2013, 02:46 AM
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Not as much as you think. Not as much as you'd expect. Not nearly as much as you'd hope.
Probably. I suppose Phillips had more trade value shortly after he was drafted, it's likely dropped a bit now.

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01-11-2013, 06:21 AM
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We should have just traded up and drafted the man..I remember I was clamoring for him before we picked but then he got snatched up.

Edit: after looking we should've traded up or down or picked ANYONE but Cuma.

Eberle, Myers, Gardiner, Del Zotto, Ennis, Carlson all within 5-10 picks of the Cuma pick.

I JUST THREW UP.
Why even bring this up? It's all hindsight and it happens all the time. I can name a ton of other examples. Cuma is still young and has size, I haven't given up on the guy. Defenseman take a long time to develop, especially ones that have been injured most of their career.

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01-11-2013, 06:28 AM
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Probably. I suppose Phillips had more trade value shortly after he was drafted, it's likely dropped a bit now.
We knew Phillips needed work when we drafted him. He is a work in progress and he's in the perfect situation to get the time he needs to adapt to the pro game. Its not like we need him right now. I'm more interested in his development than his trade value.

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01-11-2013, 10:55 AM
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As much as people think Clutter is replaceable; he's not. Right now Bulmer doesn't look anywhere remotely ready for the NHL again. Larsson adds a bit of sandpaper but isn't as much of an agitator as Clutter. And then who else? Powe? Veilleux? Doesn't score. At all.
Coyle's ready.

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01-11-2013, 11:22 AM
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Why even bring this up? It's all hindsight and it happens all the time. I can name a ton of other examples. Cuma is still young and has size, I haven't given up on the guy. Defenseman take a long time to develop, especially ones that have been injured most of their career.

Because we were tailing about Del Zotto..we easily could have moved up for a small price to obtain him in the draft instead of now trading a pricey sum of draft picks/maybe Clutterbuck for him.

It was completely relevant.

As for your thoughts on Cuma..just ask Russo where he fits on the depth chart..he's not even in our top 12 for defenseman right now and isn't a lock to be resigned when his contract is up.


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Cuma is a bust. He was supposed to be a top 4 puck moving defenseman with some grit. He has shown ZERO ability to be a top 4 dman let alone a puck mover at the AHL level so what makes you think he will all of a sudden become an NHL defenseman. You can give him as much time as you want he won't ever fulfill his potential as a top 4 NHL defenseman. And he was a 1st round pick. He is a bust.

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01-11-2013, 11:31 AM
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For those who don't think Cuma is a bust, you were probably the same people thinking AJ Thelen wasn't a bust.

Look at everyone else drafted around Cuma. In a DEEP first round for defenseman all the way to the 2nd round take a look at the numbers.

Cuma was selected 23 overall so lets start at 15.

15. Erik Karlsson 216 games played
17.Jake Gardiner 75 games played
19.Lucas Sbisa 195 games played
20.Michael Del Zotto 204 Games played
27.John Carlson 186 games played
32.Vyacheslav Voynov 54 games played
38.Roman Josi 52 games played

Cuma was drafted with a group of peers that have excelled, the ones who haven't played as many games are all on their way to becoming not only NHL regulars but star players in the league. He was supposed to be the same level of talent as these other 7 players on draft day. Scouts raved about Cuma and he was supposed to be a solid career top 4 defenseman here in Minnesota. You can't begin to tell me that Cuma isn't a bust when you look at the players drafted in the same year as him and close to his selection and then you look at what Cuma has accomplished in his career. Injuries or not. Cuma is a bust.

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01-11-2013, 11:42 AM
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Because we were tailing about Del Zotto..we easily could have moved up for a small price to obtain him in the draft instead of now trading a pricey sum of draft picks/maybe Clutterbuck for him.

It was completely relevant.

As for your thoughts on Cuma..just ask Russo where he fits on the depth chart..he's not even in our top 12 for defenseman right now and isn't a lock to be resigned when his contract is up.


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Cuma is a bust. He was supposed to be a top 4 puck moving defenseman with some grit. He has shown ZERO ability to be a top 4 dman let alone a puck mover at the AHL level so what makes you think he will all of a sudden become an NHL defenseman. You can give him as much time as you want he won't ever fulfill his potential as a top 4 NHL defenseman. And he was a 1st round pick. He is a bust.
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01-11-2013, 05:28 PM
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Coyle's ready.
Coyle isn't an agitator like Clutter. Also, Coyle should be on the top lines.

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Coyle isn't an agitator like Clutter. Also, Coyle should be on the top lines.
So? I'll trade agitation for offensive production.

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So? I'll trade agitation for offensive production.
To add to this response...and this is not my asserting that I think Coyle should replace Clutterbuck...

After you mentioned Coyle playing with Brodziak a few days ago, the more and more I think Brodziak is the perfect center for Coyle to break into the league with. It would take pressure of him in that if he came up in a top 6 role, there would be more pressure for him to produce right away. This would allow him to further develop his cycle, down low, and screen/tip game without being expected to produce offensively right away.

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To add to this response...and this is not my asserting that I think Coyle should replace Clutterbuck...

After you mentioned Coyle playing with Brodziak a few days ago, the more and more I think Brodziak is the perfect center for Coyle to break into the league with. It would take pressure of him in that if he came up in a top 6 role, there would be more pressure for him to produce right away. This would allow him to further develop his cycle, down low, and screen/tip game without being expected to produce offensively right away.
And to add to your add to my response...

If we are really going forward with Bouchard on the 3rd line, putting Coyle with him and Brodziak would not only allow Coyle to learn the defensive side, but it won't stagnate his offensive game that much. He'd see less PP time than he would in Houston, but still. Think about it, let him play with a good cycler in Brodziak and playmaker in PMB for 48 games and then bump him up to a Parise/Koivu line, he'll be much more ready than if he played with Phillips and whoever down in Houston.

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01-11-2013, 05:59 PM
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Once again, it's not happening unless Prosser is traded/waived someday.

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And to add to your add to my response...

If we are really going forward with Bouchard on the 3rd line, putting Coyle with him and Brodziak would not only allow Coyle to learn the defensive side, but it won't stagnate his offensive game that much. He'd see less PP time than he would in Houston, but still. Think about it, let him play with a good cycler in Brodziak and playmaker in PMB for 48 games and then bump him up to a Parise/Koivu line, he'll be much more ready than if he played with Phillips and whoever down in Houston.
I agree with this thinking. Compared to most of our prospects, his physique is ready for the NHL. His positioning and style of play is more like the NHL than the AHL as well. I will be interested to see how he is used if he sees any NHL time at all.

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IMHO, Granlund and Bouchard is redundant. These guys are small, have great vision, and are good distributors. I would rather have those types of skills spread out.


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Once again, it's not happening unless Prosser is traded/waived someday.
But I hate Prosser!

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Can't Prosser just go to Houston?

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Can't Prosser just go to Houston?
Nope and I'm pretty sure he already would during the lockout.

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So? I'll trade agitation for offensive production.
Offensive production is nice but you need a balance. We had no one for a while that could throw players off their game like Clutter. Clutter is more valuable at this point than Seto and I rather have Seto replaced by a guy like Coyle.

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Nope and I'm pretty sure he already would during the lockout.
He can go to Houston, he just needs to clear waivers and he is going to get paid regardless.

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He can go to Houston, he just needs to clear waivers and he is going to get paid regardless.
That's exactly what I mean.

Pretty sure I mentioned it in another post somewhere.

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Once again, it's not happening unless Prosser is traded/waived someday.
Sounds like Kampfer was cleared, he's taking Scandella's spot for now.

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That's a good news then.

Couldn't think of a better player to take his spot for now.

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Kampfer could play while Prosser sits in the press box? Not a big Prosser fan either. When he's on his game he actually isn't that bad for a bottom pair D-man. When he's off though he's way off.

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Kampfer could play while Prosser sits in the press box? Not a big Prosser fan either. When he's on his game he actually isn't that bad for a bottom pair D-man. When he's off though he's way off.
Well, what's the roster limit for a team? 23?

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