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Is Flying Under The Radar The New Formula For Winning???

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01-03-2013, 11:50 AM
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Is Flying Under The Radar The New Formula For Winning???

Anyone else noticing a trend at the WJR's? The teams, few see winning, are winning.

In Sask, it was the U.S.
In Buffalo, it was Russia.
In Alberta, it was Sweden - altho they had a great team.
This year, it will be the U.S.

While teams with a big target on their back (this year : Canada, Russia, Finland) are getting taken out.

It seems like flying under the radar and jumping up to bite the favoured teams at the right moment is becoming a winning strategy. Good for them. Smart!!!

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01-03-2013, 02:08 PM
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Anyone else noticing a trend at the WJR's? The teams, few see winning, are winning.

In Sask, it was the U.S.
In Buffalo, it was Russia.
In Alberta, it was Sweden - altho they had a great team.
This year, it will be the U.S.

While teams with a big target on their back (this year : Canada, Russia, Finland) are getting taken out.

It seems like flying under the radar and jumping up to bite the favoured teams at the right moment is becoming a winning strategy. Good for them. Smart!!!
There were considered to be 4 medal favourites this year & they all made the SF. Finland were added to the mix after the exhibition games & quickly dropped after losing a player to injury in the first game.

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01-03-2013, 02:10 PM
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US was hardly under the radar in Saskatoon.

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USA is consistently becoming a dominate force in the WJHC. They are not flying under the radar at all.

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USA is consistently becoming a dominate force in the WJHC. They are not flying under the radar at all.
Consistently? They were 7th last year.

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01-03-2013, 02:37 PM
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Hard to say any of those teams have fallen off the radar.

Since 2007, Canada, Russia! Sweden and the US have won every medal in the under 20 tournament. Since 2002, those four teams have won at least 2 medals in every tournament. It's simply just being a consistent competitor.

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Veiled brag thread that Canada is perennial favorite.

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Veiled brag thread that Canada is perennial favorite.
This man gets it

Canada loses = Canada still wins when its the HFboards

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Veiled brag thread that Canada is perennial favorite.
Looking at the old humble brag.

But I will take it as a USA hockey fan because Canada could never be under the radar, even if you guys lose 10 of these in a row you still take it so serious.

The new formula for winning is the old formula for winning in hockey. Great team effort, puck support, goaltending, timely saves and goals, and puck luck on that given day. Of course there is more, but that is generally what is going to get it done and Canada or even Russia this year as host nation and co-favorite for many, has been beat occasionally in those areas. The symptoms were there before today, blind faith covered it for a lot of people.

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Looking at the old humble brag.

But I will take it as a USA hockey fan because Canada could never be under the radar, even if you guys lose 10 of these in a row you still take it so serious.

The new formula for winning is the old formula for winning in hockey. Great team effort, puck support, goaltending, timely saves and goals, and puck luck on that given day. Of course there is more, but that is generally what is going to get it done and Canada or even Russia this year as host nation and co-favorite for many, has been beat occasionally in those areas. The symptoms were there before today, blind faith covered it for a lot of people.
To me, this tournament just reinforced the notion that team selection for the WJC's is differant than putting an all-star or NHL team together. It's just a differant animal.

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I don't think "under the radar" is an actual formula teams have for winning. Teams just peak at the right time.

The Americans were known to have a strong team with a strong goaltender going in and Sweden was known to be the best team in their pool.

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Anyone else noticing a trend at the WJR's? The teams, few see winning, are winning.

In Sask, it was the U.S.
In Buffalo, it was Russia.
In Alberta, it was Sweden - altho they had a great team.
This year, it will be the U.S.

While teams with a big target on their back (this year : Canada, Russia, Finland) are getting taken out.

It seems like flying under the radar and jumping up to bite the favoured teams at the right moment is becoming a winning strategy. Good for them. Smart!!!
Can I borrow your time machine?

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I'd hardly call the US "under the radar". The fact that some of the TSN-fanatics on this board chose to ignore them doesn't mean they weren't quite obviously a contender to those who actually watch this tournament annually.

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Looking at the old humble brag.

But I will take it as a USA hockey fan because Canada could never be under the radar, even if you guys lose 10 of these in a row you still take it so serious.

The new formula for winning is the old formula for winning in hockey. Great team effort, puck support, goaltending, timely saves and goals, and puck luck on that given day. Of course there is more, but that is generally what is going to get it done and Canada or even Russia this year as host nation and co-favorite for many, has been beat occasionally in those areas. The symptoms were there before today, blind faith covered it for a lot of people.
Yep, I think this about covers my thoughts on the matter.

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Hard to say any of those teams have fallen off the radar.

Since 2007, Canada, Russia! Sweden and the US have won every medal in the under 20 tournament.
Also 25 of the last 28 semi-finalists & the last 24 finalists

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Yes, thats clearly a pre set strategy and not an arbitrary observation at all.

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No. Actual teamwork seems to be winning over great talents working individually. To me it seems that Canada's whole wasn't greater than the sum of its parts.

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i dont think we flew under the radar. i just thought people on this board underestimated the talent of some of our forwards.

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Anyone else noticing a trend at the WJR's? The teams, few see winning, are winning.

In Sask, it was the U.S.
In Buffalo, it was Russia.
In Alberta, it was Sweden - altho they had a great team.
This year, it will be the U.S.

While teams with a big target on their back (this year : Canada, Russia, Finland) are getting taken out.

It seems like flying under the radar and jumping up to bite the favoured teams at the right moment is becoming a winning strategy. Good for them. Smart!!!
Your arbitary perceptions on team strength have no impact on the outcomes of these events. Sweden didn't go into the event thinking "Because we are under the radar that elevates our skill so we can believe and win!".

If you hadn't noticed, in all these tournaments, there were 4 or 5 good teams capable of winning depending on many variables. Your opinion of teams isn't a strategy.

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Anyone else noticing a trend at the WJR's? The teams, few see winning, are winning.

In Sask, it was the U.S.
In Buffalo, it was Russia.
In Alberta, it was Sweden - altho they had a great team.
This year, it will be the U.S.

While teams with a big target on their back (this year : Canada, Russia, Finland) are getting taken out.

It seems like flying under the radar and jumping up to bite the favoured teams at the right moment is becoming a winning strategy. Good for them. Smart!!!
Maybe it's flying under your radar that's the secret? And how is this working for the Czechs, Slovaks, Finns...?

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That Russian team in 2011 with Tarasenko and Kuznetsov (who were both top-6 forwards in the KHL at the time, with Kuznetsov leading his team in scoring) flew under the radar?

Perhaps you simply need a better radar set.

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Since 2007, every medal (gold, silver, or bronze) has been won by Canada, Russia, Sweden, and the USA. And they were the final 4 this year. Not too surprising. I'm not sure what you mean by this.

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Veiled brag thread that Canada is perennial favorite.
Well they are, no question about it. Best team on paper every single year, lockout year or not. They can afford to not even invite top 15 NHL draft picks to their camp. Add to that the significance of the tournament nationally and you can see that's it's theirs to lose every single year.

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