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01-03-2013, 12:47 AM
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NHL Lockout Discussion XLII: Tomorrow's Just an Excuse Away

Previous thread

A couple of reminders since the last thread went off the rails a bit:

Not every post has to be super serious, but stay on topic please. This isn't a chat thread or a GDT. If you want to go off on unrelated tangents there's always the Lounge.

If your post is deleted don't turn around and complain on the forums. That will just get deleted and there's a good chance you'll be threadbanned and/or infracted. If you want an explanation, PM a mod. Stay on topic and you won't have a problem.

Don't post fake tweets. If you're unsure as to the source, don't post it. Attribute the tweets you do post with links. Thanks.

Now, here's to the end of this...

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1st.


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NHLPA didn't go through with DOI and there meeting at 10am

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This meeting today is going to be a slam dunk


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Did we ever get any kind of clarification about an extension for DOI?
Can they still do that in the future?

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Did we ever get any kind of clarification about an extension for DOI?
Can they still do that in the future?
From what I understand the deadline last night was for the vote that took place, but the NHLPA can just vote again and be right back where they were.

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Did we ever get any kind of clarification about an extension for DOI?
Can they still do that in the future?
The NHLPA membership would need to vote to reauthorize the PA Exec Committee at this point to issue the DOI. It's 100% possible at any point in the future. Basically, they still have the gun and ammo, but they'd need to put another bullet in before they fire.

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Did we ever get any kind of clarification about an extension for DOI?
Can they still do that in the future?
Yeah I believe they can do it whenever so it's a plan B for the players...I could be wrong but I believe they can whenever now

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About 'insider' tweets. Not a single insider knew mediators were involved until Bettman said so after the meetings 1AM. If the journalists had the kind of sources they pretend they do, they wouldn't have been surprised by that.

I think most of the reports is a mix of common sense, guesses and snippets from people who are involved on the fringe. Not from anyone in the room.

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Frankly, DOI was always an empty threat. I would have loved to see the PA explain in court how they were not using it purely as a negotiation ploy.

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And IMO, the DOI was used as a pressure point to get a CBA in for this year. Given that we're now in the 10th hour, imo there's probably not time to organize a 5 day vote by the players and revisit the DOI. So unless we're going for a two year lockout, I think the DOI threat is over. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this or don't understand the details.

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So, just over an hour and a half until we do this again!

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NHLPA didn't go through with DOI and there meeting at 10am
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About 'insider' tweets. Not a single insider knew mediators were involved until Bettman said so after the meetings 1AM. If the journalists had the kind of sources they pretend they do, they wouldn't have been surprised by that.

I think most of the reports is a mix of common sense, guesses and snippets from people who are involved on the fringe. Not from anyone in the room.
Thanks.

Left after page 2 last night. Mediators, they never seem to bring much good news after, hope it helped this time.

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I don't think they'd DOI at this point anyway, it's too soon before the deadline. They'd probably just as soon preserve their option to outright decertify if the season does get canceled, especially since it's unlikely they'd win DOI in court anyway. Not to mention the NHL isn't going to let them get away with having Fehr negotiate once they file DOI.

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About 'insider' tweets. Not a single insider knew mediators were involved until Bettman said so after the meetings 1AM. If the journalists had the kind of sources they pretend they do, they wouldn't have been surprised by that.
Seriously though, someone remember to bring this up next time we sit through one of these marathon sessions.

Oh, you were getting texts from a well placed source, Mr. Reporter? What did that source say about the federal mediator sitting at the table?

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If PA has dropped idea of escrow cap, why would NHL have a problem with a $66M or $65M salary cap in '13-14? No good reason.

https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/286824819973046272

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If PA has dropped idea of escrow cap, why would NHL have a problem with a $66M or $65M salary cap in '13-14? No good reason.

https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/286824819973046272
Cap floor would be higher than it ever has been (for a full season) is one good reason.

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NHLPA didn't go through with DOI and there meeting at 10am
just saved me reading through the entire thread from last night. Thank you, kind sir.

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Thank goodness this meeting's starting early. All these 8-10 PM starts were getting tiresome. I didn't even stay up long enough to find out about the mediator

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If someone had leaked info about mediators being there, the mediators probably would have gotten up from the table and never returned.

Of course that's not information that gets out.

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Cap floor would be higher than it ever has been (for a full season) is one good reason.
so for one season make the salary range $18mm. plus those teams spending the least money will probably all qualify for revenue sharing with new rules put in place

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Cap floor would be higher than it ever has been (for a full season) is one good reason.
The NHL wants the cap floor to be as close to the celing as possible, I thought? I wouldn't think they'd care how high the floor is so long as teams can reach it.

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just saved me reading through the entire thread from last night. Thank you, kind sir.
No problem

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The NHL wants the cap floor to be as close to the celing as possible, I thought? I wouldn't think they'd care how high the floor is so long as teams can reach it.
Can't always get what you want. Players want to stay at 57% of HRR. They want escrow capped. They do not want any restrictions on variance, contract length. They have given up all those demands. Time for the NHL to give up something.

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I don't know why but I have faith both these sides are seeing the light and there will be a deal.

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