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NHL Lockout Discussion XLIII: A Change Is Gonna Come

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01-03-2013, 04:58 PM
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... I know you've edited, but in any case... for the bolded, to what end? Just getting them to break even doesn't do much for me as an owner. It isn't like a barely profitable team is more exciting to watch than one that is losing $40M a year. The roster would presumably be the same unless we start sharing enough that they can do what Minnesota did... and then what does *that* do for me as an individual owner... not good!

Further... it isn't like the NBC says... oh, well we were going to pay you $X for our next TV contract, but now we'll pay you Y because CBJ are breaking even.

If the point is just to have the teams stick around long enough to dilute the talent pool in exchange for a few more fans that don't come to my building and buy my jerseys, why should I care?
To what end? To prevent franchises from constantly folding or relocating. Moving franchises back to Canada doesn't help the NHL's ability to get better TV contracts. That alone can make it worthwhile. It would also eliminate the need to lose half a year of income because of lockouts; if the teams are breaking even at minimum, there's no need to take the players behind the shed every ten years or so. Networks will be more interested in a league with good and safe US exposure...and which won't lose huge chunks of seasons with regularity.

My question to you is this: Why are you, as a fan, opposed to revenue sharing (assuming you are)? If it can help eliminate the lockouts, I'd be allllll for it. Screw the owners and their needs, I care about my needs as a fan, and I "need" to watch hockey. That's my stake, and I'm down for anything that allows that to happen. As I see it, a good revenue sharing program accomplishes that, when paired with the player pay reduction. Player pay reduction without good revenue sharing just leaves us in the same boat.

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Chris Johnston @reporterchris
A group of players and union staff have just returned to the NHL office. More pension talk, apparently.

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/st...68327400726531
GET PLAYERS WHO AREN'T ABOUT TO RETIRE AND WILL GET ANOTHER CONTRACT IN THERE. Keep Doan, Darche, Campoli, DiPietro etc etc away from it they are too desperate. Pensions are important, but some of those guys are clinging to their last chance at money too hard.

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@FriedgeHNIC Also, PA proposing as part of variance that, in multi-year contract, no season can have salary lower than 60 per cent of the highest year.

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/stat...68291170336768
That's completely reasonable

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Wrong, every NFL team is worth at least 1 billion.
I'd guess it ranges from near 2 bil (dal, pats, wash) to around 700 mil on the low end (rams, jags would be my guess)

I should say dal is the only team close to 2 bil, the others are probs near 1.5 bil

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I've been gone all of today. Can someone update me on the main things that have happened?
How optimistic does it look compared to last night?

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The PA is proposing that?
Yeah, so that is good news as I don't see why the NHL wouldn't accept that, unless I am missing something

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That's completely reasonable
I agree. Which probably means it's false.

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Back at 6pm to talk pension? Good stuff. Another long night hopefully.

Is this a bigger meeting? Don back in?

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That's completely reasonable
Isn't the league currently offering 30%?

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Alright, buckling in for another night of lockout discussion. Let's finish it tonight.

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Back at 6pm to talk pension? Good stuff. Another long night hopefully.

Is this a bigger meeting? Don back in?
Small meeting, apparently.

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The NFL makes a ton more money than the NHL. Economies of scale factor in here. Punishing profitability and rewarding ineptitude is never a good business model. When the majority of teams are making money and the load is distributed among a larger group of profitable teams covering a smaller group of unprofitable teams then it can work. Also, it works when the unprofitable teams are only unprofitable because of things outside their control (new teams, old arena's, local economy, etc) and only for a limited amount of time. If a team remains in the unprofitable bucket for too long (Phoenix...) they need to be removed.

The NHL has a lot of unprofitable teams because they have extremely inept management. That is not something you want to be rewarding.
These teams are unprofitable due to total mismanagement. Can't blame a fan base for never rallying behind a teams that has consistently been terrible since entering the league.

You're too quick to label markets unprofitable. Look at Pittsburgh, going to bankruptcy a decade ago and now it's one of the most popular franchises in the league. Likewise the Sharks have thrived in a non-traditional market due to a quality product.

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Yeah, so that is good news as I don't see why the NHL wouldn't accept that, unless I am missing something
Exactly. It seems so fair. Good news if true.

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Isn't the league currently offering 30%?
30% from year to year.

NHLPA wants 30% from yr to year but no higher than 60% from the highest year.

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
On variance, NHL has proposed 60 per cent limit. Therefore, lowest salary of any multi-year deal must be within that amount of the highest.

It would further help stop back diving contracts.

NHL should like this idea.

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Alright, buckling in for another night of lockout discussion. Let's finish it tonight.
Don't think it gets finished tonight unless they figure out the bigger issues and all other stuff falls In to place

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Don't think it gets finished tonight unless they figure out the bigger issues and all other stuff falls In to place
I think once pensions get figured out, term, salary cap and all that stuff will come in short order. Players feel like pensions are the big thing they want. Reasonable, in my opinion.

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Alright, buckling in for another night of lockout discussion. Let's finish it tonight.
jw why are you using that logo

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Is there any chance this gets done tonight?

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I feel as though its turn into the reporters repeating one another after just saying the exact opposite.

Lavoie did it just now, no more meetings possibly, now he repeats Chris Johnston saying they are having a small pension negotiation.

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Made a list of reporters to follow. Patience please, as I just made it so it might be a little screwy at first.

https://twitter.com/eric_hobeck/lockout-reporters

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Yeah, so that is good news as I don't see why the NHL wouldn't accept that, unless I am missing something
Depends what the PA wants for it. These tweets that come out only say what the PA or NHL agreed to do, not what they want in return for it.

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Friedman made a mistake with his 1st tweet, it should say the NHL proposed the 60%, not the PA

@Friedgehnic On variance, NHL has proposed 60 per cent limit. Therefore, lowest salary of any multi-year deal must be within that amount of the highest.

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/stat...71223970312193

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Is there any chance this gets done tonight?
nope

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30% from year to year.

NHLPA wants 30% from yr to year but no higher than 60% from the highest year.

It would further help stop back diving contracts.

NHL should like this idea.
wait the NHL proposed the ability for contracts to go 10, 7 , 4.9, 3.43, 2.4, 1.69, 1.18? That seems...not right.

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I feel as though its turn into the reporters repeating one another after just saying the exact opposite.

Lavoie did it just now, no more meetings possibly, now he repeats Chris Johnston saying they are having a small pension negotiation.
No one really knows for sure. There are so many variables to this now. But the fact they have split groups to hammer out certain issues are good signs.

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