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01-01-2013, 04:54 PM
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The 2011 Red Wings Draft

The Detroit Red Wings appear to be on their way to having their most successful draft since at least 2002 (Hudler, Fleischmann, Filppula, Meech, Jonathan Ericsson), and perhaps since 1989 (Sillinger, Boughner, Lidstrom, Fedorov, Drake, Konstantinov).

Here is the 2011 Wings draft:
2011
2 #35 Detroit Red Wings Tomas Jurco (RW) -- Looks like a future scoring line player
2 #48 Detroit Red Wings Xavier Ouellet (D) -- Upside as an allaround, top 4 D
2 #55 Detroit Red Wings Ryan Sproul (D) -- Upside as a PP monster QB
3 #85 Detroit Red Wings Alan Quine (C/LW) -- Unclear
4 #115 Detroit Red Wings Marek Tvrdon (LW) -- Development stalled, but has scoring line upside
5 #145 Detroit Red Wings Philippe Hudon (C/RW) -- Bust
5 #146 Detroit Red Wings Mattias Bäckman (D) -- Has NHL upside
6 #175 Detroit Red Wings Richard Nedomlel (D) -- Big mean defenseman.. a bit of a longshot
7 #205 Detroit Red Wings Alexei Marchenko (D) -- Good all around defenseman with obvious NHL upside

I'm not one to be a fanboy, but I see four guys with good shots of being NHL defensemen and two forwards (Jurco and Tvrdon) with top 6/9 potential at forward. Still other Wings fans still have expectations of Quine and Nedomlel, though I do not at this point.

What are your thoughts on this draft?
How many surefire NHLers do you see?

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None are surefire NHLers

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Realistically, no one is a surefire NHLer until they adapt to the league. However there is a ton of potential there.

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Looks good.
Wonder how it'll look in 5 years...

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Holland trading down helped him get Ouellet and Sproul in the 2nd. They seem like they will compliment each other great, hopefully they are a pairing in GR.

Backman is at a .5PPG pace playing in Sweden right now, looks like he's gonna be there for a while. Hopefully Lidstrom can tutor him a bit?

I know you're high on Marchenko CB. I haven't seen him so can't give an opinion about him really.

I think all of the defenseman definitely have top 4 upside, but it remains to be seen what will happen. The forward core is pretty solid, Jurco and Tvrdon have scoring line upside but they're both projects, Quine is a wild card.


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Looks pretty average. A few boom or bust players and a few who can have average careers. I don't see any surefire NHLers though.

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Looks pretty average. A few boom or bust players and a few who can have average careers. I don't see any surefire NHLers though.
Same here.

Their 2010 draft on the other hand looks very impressive.

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Same here.

Their 2010 draft on the other hand looks very impressive.
Depends if Pulkkinen can progress.

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I love the D from this draft. Ouellet, Sproul, Bäckman and Marchenko all have a lot of potential.

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Same here.

Their 2010 draft on the other hand looks very impressive.
Ehh, I dunno. Pulkkinen's a pretty shady bet right now. But Jarnkrok and Mrazek were huge pickups. Sheahan's not bad if he can get his act together.

On the other hand, you've got Jurco, Sproul, and Ouellet in the '11 draft being the standouts. Marchenko is still looking very good and Tvrdon will hopefully not be effected too badly by losing this season.

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Usually, by 1.5 years in, you've got a ton of prospects who you can basically cross of your list. Right now, the only surefire cross-off-the-list guy is Hudon.

This draft continues to impress.

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Can't really call a fifth rounder a bust though, lol.

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I think it depends on how Jurco pans out vs Jarnkrok

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This looks very average....

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This looks very average....

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Ouellet looks very, very good, but outside of him looks like an average draft class to me. Jurco who "Looks like a future scoring line player" has eight points in 28 games in the AHL this year. Sproul is a big maybe, bomb of a shot but not the most complete player. Don't get why this draft class requires a thread myself.

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Ouellet looks very, very good, but outside of him looks like an average draft class to me. Jurco who "Looks like a future scoring line player" has eight points in 28 games in the AHL this year. Sproul is a big maybe, bomb of a shot but not the most complete player. Don't get why this draft class requires a thread myself.
Nobody was expecting much out of Jurco this year, nor were they expecting him to be in the NHL for another 2-3 years.

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Usually, by 1.5 years in, you've got a ton of prospects who you can basically cross of your list. Right now, the only surefire cross-off-the-list guy is Hudon.

This draft continues to impress.
2011 Entry 9 1 Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL]
2011 Entry 40 2 Alexander Khokhlachev C Windsor Spitfires [OHL]
2011 Entry 81 3 Anthony Camara L Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
2011 Entry 121 4 Brian Ferlin F Indiana Ice [USHL]
2011 Entry 151 5 Rob O'Gara D Milton Academy [Mass.]
2011 Entry 181 6 Lars Volden G Blues Jrs (Finland)

I don't see anyone to cross off that list just yet, looks like a better class than the Detroit class to me (thanks to Brian Burke) but I'm not making a thread to brag about it yet. Wait until it looks like multiple guys have made the NHL or are very sure things to make the NHL to start bragging.

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I think a more simple solution would be to not read it...

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2011 Entry 9 1 Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL]
2011 Entry 40 2 Alexander Khokhlachev C Windsor Spitfires [OHL]
2011 Entry 81 3 Anthony Camara L Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
2011 Entry 121 4 Brian Ferlin F Indiana Ice [USHL]
2011 Entry 151 5 Rob O'Gara D Milton Academy [Mass.]
2011 Entry 181 6 Lars Volden G Blues Jrs (Finland)

I don't see anyone to cross off that list just yet, looks like a better class than the Detroit class to me (thanks to Brian Burke) but I'm not making a thread to brag about it yet. Wait until it looks like multiple guys have made the NHL or are very sure things to make the NHL to start bragging.
Yeah, same with the Flames. Baertschi, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, and Brossoit all look like they could end up playing legitimate roles in the NHL right now. I think it takes more like 2-3 years before you can really cross off anyone (unless they full-on quit hockey or something).

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The Detroit Red Wings appear to be on their way to having their most successful draft since at least 2002 (Hudler, Fleischmann, Filppula, Meech, Jonathan Ericsson), and perhaps since 1989 (Sillinger, Boughner, Lidstrom, Fedorov, Drake, Konstantinov).

Here is the 2011 Wings draft:
2011
2 #35 Detroit Red Wings Tomas Jurco (RW) -- Looks like a future scoring line player
2 #48 Detroit Red Wings Xavier Ouellet (D) -- Upside as an allaround, top 4 D
2 #55 Detroit Red Wings Ryan Sproul (D) -- Upside as a PP monster QB
3 #85 Detroit Red Wings Alan Quine (C/LW) -- Unclear
4 #115 Detroit Red Wings Marek Tvrdon (LW) -- Development stalled, but has scoring line upside
5 #145 Detroit Red Wings Philippe Hudon (C/RW) -- Bust
5 #146 Detroit Red Wings Mattias Bäckman (D) -- Has NHL upside
6 #175 Detroit Red Wings Richard Nedomlel (D) -- Big mean defenseman.. a bit of a longshot
7 #205 Detroit Red Wings Alexei Marchenko (D) -- Good all around defenseman with obvious NHL upside

I'm not one to be a fanboy, but I see four guys with good shots of being NHL defensemen and two forwards (Jurco and Tvrdon) with top 6/9 potential at forward. Still other Wings fans still have expectations of Quine and Nedomlel, though I do not at this point.

What are your thoughts on this draft?
How many surefire NHLers do you see?

every time i see ouellet play in international tournaments i leave wondering why he isn't talked about in the same breath as hamilton, rielly, etc. He gets talked up as a shut down type defensemen but i've seen him really let some rockets go from the point in the super series and has been in my opinion canadas top D man in the WJC so far this year. He'd be my #1 prospect out of that class for the wings.

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2011 Entry 9 1 Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL]
2011 Entry 40 2 Alexander Khokhlachev C Windsor Spitfires [OHL]
2011 Entry 81 3 Anthony Camara L Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
2011 Entry 121 4 Brian Ferlin F Indiana Ice [USHL]
2011 Entry 151 5 Rob O'Gara D Milton Academy [Mass.]
2011 Entry 181 6 Lars Volden G Blues Jrs (Finland)

I don't see anyone to cross off that list just yet, looks like a better class than the Detroit class to me (thanks to Brian Burke) but I'm not making a thread to brag about it yet. Wait until it looks like multiple guys have made the NHL or are very sure things to make the NHL to start bragging.
I'm a B's fan too, but I'd cross volden off. theres 5 goalies in the system I'd put ahead of him in rask, khudobin, subban, svedberg and gothberg. It'd take a miracle for him to make up that much ground. brian ferlin is also having a down year in cornell for what i expected to be a breakout type year for him. I wouldn't cross him off just yet, but perhaps remove the cap for my red pen. I do like o'gara, camara, and khoklachev though. Hamilton goes without question.

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every time i see ouellet play in international tournaments i leave wondering why he isn't talked about in the same breath as hamilton, rielly, etc. He gets talked up as a shut down type defensemen but i've seen him really let some rockets go from the point in the super series and has been in my opinion canadas top D man in the WJC so far this year. He'd be my #1 prospect out of that class for the wings.
You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find anybody not have Ouellet as their #1 from that class at this point.

He's jammed down on the accelerator for his development and nothing's stopped him yet.

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still too early really(although i'm viewing Ouellet as more and more of a sure thing to at least stick in the NHL as time goes on) but that defense group is definitely on the right track

i've never been high on Nedomlel but the other 4 have done nothing but impress

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I'm a B's fan too, but I'd cross volden off. theres 5 goalies in the system I'd put ahead of him in rask, khudobin, subban, svedberg and gothberg. It'd take a miracle for him to make up that much ground. brian ferlin is also having a down year in cornell for what i expected to be a breakout type year for him. I wouldn't cross him off just yet, but perhaps remove the cap for my red pen. I do like o'gara, camara, and khoklachev though. Hamilton goes without question.
Volden is a big, athletic 20 year old goalie with 2.10/.918 in five SM-liiga games and 2.78/.915 in 18 Finland2 games this year, he'll likely never be a Bruin but you can't totally cross of a NHL future at this point. That was my point of posting the Bruins class, to combat Captain Bob's "Usually, by 1.5 years in, you've got a ton of prospects who you can basically cross of your list. Right now, the only surefire cross-off-the-list guy is Hudon." There's not a ton of prospects who can already be crossed off from the 2011 draft class.
Just a year and a half later is too early to really judge a draft class, a year and a half is actually when most draft classes look their very best, junior players are 19 year old junior veterans so they're usually very good junior players by then, the European kids are still in Europe. It's about another two years later you really know what you've got, the juniors have all turned pro and some of the Europeans start coming over to North American pro hockey, so now kids are sinking or swimming and you really start to know what you've got and surely three and a half years after a draft you can actually cross of a ton of prospects. You could do what Captain Bob did for Detroit for most 2011 draft classes and they would look pretty good.

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