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01-04-2013, 11:05 AM
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How many others are asking themselves, "why the **** do I keep looking here? Do I really hate myself that much?"

I could have made a really good grilled cheese; instead, I chose to read a bunch of CBA speculation and vague tweets that only piss me off.

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"Donald Fehr was given the power to file the Disclaimer. He didn't, and now it's been widely reported that the NHL took advantage of that and talks have shifted negatively ever since the deadline to file passed."

Everything was going pretty well and then the NHL had to go and **** it all up!
Not surprising. Both sides have been dirty throughout these negotiations. I wish people would stop absolving the owners of all blame..

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Now I could have understood the entire situation all wrong, I've been known be wrong on things, but that's the only thing that I believe happened yesterday that caused all of this to happen.
And they're still whimpering over the 57-43 offer months ago.

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I've been pro-owners this whole time pretty much... but if its true that they really tried to back the PA up against a wall after the DOI time passed, then it would push me towards a neutral POV...

Of course if its the other way and the players just didnt read the freakin proposal then... well I dont even know then...

All I know is this whole situation is a joke

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01-04-2013, 11:06 AM
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"As the NHLPA conducts another vote to file -- according TSN's Aaron Ward, it'll now require a unanimous vote in order to happen -- the Players and the League will be meeting separately with a mediator today, and no bargaining sessions have been scheduled"

I found the bolded part particularly interesting.

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CBA update after talking to NHL exec: "It doesn't look like they have much of an appetite for moving process forward"

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From David Pagnotta's article

"Donald Fehr was given the power to file the Disclaimer. He didn't, and now it's been widely reported that the NHL took advantage of that and talks have shifted negatively ever since the deadline to file passed."

Everything was going pretty well and then the NHL had to go and **** it all up!
Makes no sense. What was supposed to happen? LOL Just another point to prove why the NHLPA wants to use DOI.

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01-04-2013, 11:08 AM
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I wonder if the NHLPA is stalling until the vote is over. Maybe Fehr doesn't wish to negotiate without the threat of a DOI in his back pocket.

I'm sick of both sides, now.

Can 'em all.

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Just because someone went to Princeton and wrote something about something, does not mean they know how that something actually works in the real world.
Princeton doesn't have athletic scholarships.
Princeton doesn't have general programs for athletes.

His point was the player may have been just skating by the school to play hockey, and he couldn't have picked a worse school to use as an example.

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Panaccio on twitter says no meetings at all.
He said there is a chance of no meetings. As if that is news. I think he is speculating off the fact that it's noon.

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"As the NHLPA conducts another vote to file -- according TSN's Aaron Ward, it'll now require a unanimous vote in order to happen -- the Players and the League will be meeting separately with a mediator today, and no bargaining sessions have been scheduled"

I found the bolded part particularly interesting.
Like they didn't have one before.

Someone needs to reset the circuits in all of their brains on both sides.

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01-04-2013, 11:12 AM
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I wonder if the NHLPA is stalling until the vote is over. Maybe Fehr doesn't wish to negotiate without the threat of a DOI in his back pocket.

I'm sick of both sides, now.

Can 'em all.
That threat is there no matter when they vote. The owners know if nothing gets done it's coming out.

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Princeton doesn't have athletic scholarships.
Princeton doesn't have general programs for athletes.

His point was the player may have been just skating by the school to play hockey, and he couldn't have picked a worse school to use as an example.
Do you see anything in these lists of program options that would suggest that a graduate would have the skills and knowledge to cope with a high level labour negotiation?

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Like they didn't have one before.

Someone needs to reset the circuits in all of their brains on both sides.
Last vote was about 97% in favour. But if the PA requires unanimous backing, they might not be able to file a DOI which would make things very interesting.

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"As the NHLPA conducts another vote to file -- according TSN's Aaron Ward, it'll now require a unanimous vote in order to happen -- the Players and the League will be meeting separately with a mediator today, and no bargaining sessions have been scheduled"

I found the bolded part particularly interesting.
I've tried to understand the NHLPA's voting process with regards to DOI and have given up. Why don't they vote on a proposal? Maybe things could move along quicker.

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01-04-2013, 11:14 AM
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I've tried to understand the NHLPA's voting process with regards to DOI and have given up. Why don't they vote on a proposal? Maybe things could move along quicker.
Fehr wants to have something in his back pocket to "force" the owners to give the PA more goodies.

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Translation...Wahhhhh the NHL won't give us what we want!!! It must be because we can't file that disclaimer thingie!!! We'll fix their wagon!!!

That one "word" says it all about why both sides are mired in this completely avoidable cluster ******.

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Last vote was about 97% in favour. But if the PA requires unanimous backing, they might not be able to file a DOI which would make things very interesting.
I would expect the same or near results, and anything in the 90 percentile is unanimous.

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I would expect the same or near results, and anything in the 90 percentile is unanimous.
I assumed unanimous meant 100%, but if it's 90% or higher, then yes, we'll have the same results.

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Last vote was about 97% in favour. But if the PA requires unanimous backing, they might not be able to file a DOI which would make things very interesting.
Well, they crapped the bed - now they have to deal with it.

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I would expect the same or near results, and anything in the 90 percentile is unanimous.
I dont think 90% is unanimous... unless theres specific language there that dictates that?

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I wouldn't worry about the "unanimous" part as the players just do what they're told and buy into anything Fehr lays out for them.

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01-04-2013, 11:17 AM
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Fehr wants to have something in his back pocket to "force" the owners to give the PA more goodies.
Yep.........I understand that for sure. I'm confused though that, technically from what I have read, DOI doesn't even require a vote. So it sounds like an internal NHLPA thingamajiggy they have in place. Their own deadline expired without their expected results whatever they may have been.

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Do you see anything in these lists of program options that would suggest that a graduate would have the skills and knowledge to cope with a high level labour negotiation?

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http://www.princeton.edu/main/academ...s/certificate/
This is a different topic than discussed: should players attend meetings? You should start a thread on that topic somewhere, see what comes up.

We already know, if players don't attend, then obviously Fehr is lying to the players about what happens in the meetings. Funny how the posters against the players will play either side with this.

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