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01-18-2013, 07:43 PM
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I really really really want the Bills to trade back and pick up the best LB-QB-CB-WR available (think St. Louis would part ways with their firsts to move to 8th? Nah....

#8 is too high for a QB (even Smith). Have to think CB or LB here truthfully. Milliner fits the bill.

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01-18-2013, 07:48 PM
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I really really really want the Bills to trade back and pick up the best LB-QB-CB-WR available (think St. Louis would part ways with their firsts to move to 8th? Nah....

#8 is too high for a QB (even Smith). Have to think CB or LB here truthfully. Milliner fits the bill.
Milliner really does fit at #8 when you consider the players expected to go where and Pettine's scheme. We don't really know how he's going to arrange the front 7, which means picking the right LB fit may be tougher from outside OBD. But we do know that he is aggressive, and that puts strain on the secondary. Milliner/Gilmore would be an excellent pair for the foreseeable future if we went that route.

Our CB depth would look like this:
Gilmore
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Brooks
Rogers

McGee gets cut. I love the guy, and he's great when he's healthy, but he's never healthy any more. He gave it a go this year, but again proved he cannot stay out of the infirmary long enough to make a difference.

The only thing is that CB corps is extremely young, but that may not necessarily be a bad thing.

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01-19-2013, 11:59 AM
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For the past few years all Bills draft threads (here and elsewhere) have been filled with nothing but hate hate hate for CB first. Its honestly incredible to see the # of people okay with or in favor of Milliner.

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If the Bills draft a ****ing cornerback in the 1st round this year after wasting a #1 in 2012 and an early 2nd in 2011 I'm done. We have invested enough early picks in our **** cornerbacks, we need a linebacker or QB the only two positions we should take.

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If the Bills draft a ****ing cornerback in the 1st round this year after wasting a #1 in 2012 and an early 2nd in 2011 I'm done. We have invested enough early picks in our **** cornerbacks, we need a linebacker or QB the only two positions we should take.
How did the Bills waste one in 2012?

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How did the Bills waste one in 2012?
Waste is the wrong word on Gilmore, but the right one for Aaron Williams. Gilmore was somewhat decent but Aaron Williams is a massive bust. Either way, after investing a top 10 pick Last year and a top 35 pick in 2011 we can't afford to take a corner in the first 3 rounds this year.

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Waste is the wrong word on Gilmore, but the right one for Aaron Williams. Gilmore was somewhat decent but Aaron Williams is a massive bust. Either way, after investing a top 10 pick Last year and a top 35 pick in 2011 we can't afford to take a corner in the first 3 rounds this year.
Exact opposite... Two shutdown corners cover up the Bills inability to stop the run.

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For the past few years all Bills draft threads (here and elsewhere) have been filled with nothing but hate hate hate for CB first. Its honestly incredible to see the # of people okay with or in favor of Milliner.
I think a lot of it has to do with the complete lack of top end players in this draft... We really should go best LB IMO but if not I would rather they took Milliner over reaching for a qb at #8.

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Exact opposite... Two shutdown corners cover up the Bills inability to stop the run.
And a good pass rush can hide the fact our corners suck

If the Bills want to make the playoffs for the first time this millennium they need to upgrade the linebackers. Take another corner early and your throwing away the season before it even starts.

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And a good pass rush can hide the fact our corners suck

If the Bills want to make the playoffs for the first time this millennium they need to upgrade the linebackers. Take another corner early and your throwing away the season before it even starts.
Spare us the drama, there is no pick we can make or not make at #8 that's guaranteed to have any particular effect on the season.

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How did the Bills waste one in 2012?
Floyd was honestly the better pick available.

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Normally, I wouldn't agree with taking ANOTHER cornerback. It smells of the Detroit Lions taking a WR every draft to replace the bust they took the year before. However, seeing that Pettine's defenses do a lot of blitzing, it is important to have good corners that can hold up one on one in order to allow more bodies to put pressure on the QB.

I would almost put CB right up there with WR and QB as the team's biggest needs. I have been pushing LB since before last's year's draft, but with the new defense I think the need for CB's trump the need for LB. Besides, in a different scheme, one where the linebackers are more likely to rush the QB, guys like Moats may be a better fit. Mark Anderson and Mario Williams may also be "LBs" in a 3-4 formation or some form of that. Very curious to see how Sheppard, Barnett, and Bradham will adapt/be used.

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Normally, I wouldn't agree with taking ANOTHER cornerback. It smells of the Detroit Lions taking a WR every draft to replace the bust they took the year before. However, seeing that Pettine's defenses do a lot of blitzing, it is important to have good corners that can hold up one on one in order to allow more bodies to put pressure on the QB.

I would almost put CB right up there with WR and QB as the team's biggest needs. I have been pushing LB since before last's year's draft, but with the new defense I think the need for CB's trump the need for LB. Besides, in a different scheme, one where the linebackers are more likely to rush the QB, guys like Moats may be a better fit. Mark Anderson and Mario Williams may also be "LBs" in a 3-4 formation or some form of that. Very curious to see how Sheppard, Barnett, and Bradham will adapt/be used.
I think the fact that we don't really know how he plans to work the front 7 makes guessing how our LB situation looks, and which LB in the draft is the best fit is really tough to say.

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And a good pass rush can hide the fact our corners suck

If the Bills want to make the playoffs for the first time this millennium they need to upgrade the linebackers. Take another corner early and your throwing away the season before it even starts.
Yes and no. you cant hide your cbs in this league any more. too many teams have 5wr or 4wr sets. But tge Bills number one concern should be stopping the run.... You cant do that by drafting one lb. but changing your scheme to allow more run gap stoppers would be effective

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And a good pass rush can hide the fact our corners suck

If the Bills want to make the playoffs for the first time this millennium they need to upgrade the linebackers. Take another corner early and your throwing away the season before it even starts.
Yes and no. you cant hide your cbs in this league any more. too many teams have 5wr or 4wr sets. But tge Bills number one concern should be stopping the run.... You cant do that by drafting one lb. but changing your scheme to allow more run gap stoppers would be effective

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Yes and no. you cant hide your cbs in this league any more. too many teams have 5wr or 4wr sets. But tge Bills number one concern should be stopping the run.... You cant do that by drafting one lb. but changing your scheme to allow more run gap stoppers would be effective
Agree.

In today's league, especially in a division with Tom Brady, you need 3 good CBs at least. 2 guys on the outside and 1 guy in the slot.

Milliner would give us 2, which is still short one.

LB is still a need for sure, but CB is a need to. LB may be more glaring a need, but it becomes a question of value and who's on the board. The worst thing the Bills can do is reach for a player.

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Yes and no. you cant hide your cbs in this league any more. too many teams have 5wr or 4wr sets. But tge Bills number one concern should be stopping the run.... You cant do that by drafting one lb. but changing your scheme to allow more run gap stoppers would be effective
Agree, we don't know what the current players are going to be capable of with better coaching. In fact, the the only position in which I think the coaches will be unable to convince themselves that the existing players might be salvagable will be QB.

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This is a weak draft. I'd be surprised if we got more than 1 quality starter out of it.

Glennon and Barkley are the only QB's even worth considering IMO.

The LB's available aren't that great either. Jones will probably be gone by the time we pick. Te'o is an idiot. Minter and Mingo are just OK.

The Bills should consider trading down.

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This is a weak draft. I'd be surprised if we got more than 1 quality starter out of it.

Glennon and Barkley are the only QB's even worth considering IMO.

The LB's available aren't that great either. Jones will probably be gone by the time we pick. Te'o is an idiot. Minter and Mingo are just OK.

The Bills should consider trading down.
I love how people say this. If the draft is bad, why would anyone want to pay more picks to move up? That's totally contradictory.

Here's this terrible car. I don't want it. Would you pay me in addition to buying it?

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I love how people say this. If the draft is bad, why would anyone want to pay more picks to move up? That's totally contradictory.

Here's this terrible car. I don't want it. Would you pay me in addition to buying it?
That, and you have to appreciate the people passing themselves off as qualified evaluators by parroting pundit opinion.

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I love how people say this. If the draft is bad, why would anyone want to pay more picks to move up? That's totally contradictory.

Here's this terrible car. I don't want it. Would you pay me in addition to buying it?
Weak draft or not, trades for draft position happen every year. It's something the Bills should consider unless they feel they can land both the QB and LB they want at #8 and #41.


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That, and you have to appreciate the people passing themselves off as qualified evaluators by parroting pundit opinion.
I don't know if this is directed at me or not, but as I said before, I'm no expert. I've just looked at film on the QB's/LB's available and formed my opinion based off that.

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I've seen mocks that have us taking:

QB: Wilson, Glennon, Nassib, Barkley
WR: Allen, Patterson
DE: Moore
OLB: Mingo, Jones
ILB: Te'o, Ogletree

Haven't seen one that gives us Milliner, although I think he might end up being the best value at the pick.

I'm actually glad the Bills aren't locked into every draft with the same pick ( like Flyod last year).

I don't care for the QBs at all. Wouldn't pick any at 8. Te'o has completely fallen off the radar. Seems like a bad time to waste a #1 pick on a DE.... Mark Anderson isn't that bad of a player. Jones should be gone by #8 (same with Milliner). So that leaves:

Mingo, Ogletree, Allen, Patterson....

Could someone tell me if their is a major difference between Allen and Patterson? (everything I've read has had literally the same paragraph.... explosive WR who has size). I'd like Ogletree out of the bunch..... still want the Bills to trade down. A 1st and a 2nd from a team then package the two 2nds to get one of those QBs in the late 1st round.

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