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The first generation of Hall of Fame Goaltenders: Hutton, Hern, Moran, and LeSueur

I think this needs its own thread rather cluttering up the goalie project. Post research, arguments, whatever you like here. Feel free to include comparisons to guys who aren't just these four.


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hfboards profiles:

Dreakmur's Paddy Moran profile

JFA87-66-99's Riley Hern profile

Velociraptor's Percy LeSueur profile

John Bouse Hutton needs a profile and Riley Hern needs a google archives search to add newspaper reports.

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1st 10 goalies inducted into the HHOF

1945: Charles Robert "Chuck" Gardiner
1945: Georges Vezina
1958: Alex Connell
1958: Frederick Hugh Lehman
1958: Patrick Joseph "Paddy" Moran
1959: Cecil "Tiny" Thompson
1961: George Hainsworth
1961: Percy LeSueur
1962: William Milton "Riley" Hern
1962: John Bower "Bouse" Hutton


Moran lived until 1966, so I don't think there was a rush to get him in before he died.

1925 All-Time All-Star Team

"Charlie H. Good compiled a list in 1925 of the best all-time positional players. Good was the respected Sporting Editor for the Toronto Daily News until that paper folded in 1919. Maclean's Magazine asked Good to put a best-of list together for the March 15th edition. Good, in turn, called upon his peers in the sports writing fraternity to submit their picks. From those lists three all-star teams were compile."

"The participants : Charles H. Good, W. A. Hewitt, Lester Patrick, J .F. Ahern, Tommy Gorman, W. J. Morrison, Lou Marsh, Bruce Boreham, K. G. H. McConnell, Roy Halpin, Ross Mackay, Harry Scott, O. F. Young, Art Ross, Frank Shaughnessey, James T. Sutherland, Bill Tackabery, Basil O'Meara, Ed. Baker, "Dusty" Rhodes, Walter McMullin, E. W. Ferguson, Joe Kincaid, and W. A. Boys, M.P."

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/20402

1st Team: Georges Vezina
2nd Team: Percy LeSueur
3rd Team: Clint Benedict/Hugh Lehman

Note the following:
  • The survey took place at the low-point of Benedict's career, after his poor showing in the 1924 playoffs got him run out of Ottawa, and before his revival with the maroons.
  • The survey was criticized in western papers as being biased against western players (like Lehman and Holmes?)
  • LeSueur had been retired for 8 years, while Vezina, Benedict, Lehman, and Holmes were still active, so there might have been a nostalgia component.
  • Despite all that, this is pretty good evidence in favor of LeSueur compared to Hutton, Hern and Moran

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One reason I like LeSueur and Moran is that their careers had significant overlap with the much stronger generation that followed.

John Bouse Hutton (1898-1904, 1909)
Riley Hern (1898-1911)
Paddy Moran (1901-1917)
Percy LeSueur (1905-1916)
Hugh Lehman (1908-1928)
Georges Vezina (1910-1926)
Hap Holmes (1912-1928)
Clint Benedict (1912-1930)

Hern barely did and Hutton really didn't. Hutton also had a really short career.

It wasn't just goalies who got stronger. Look at the early forwards who made our top 100 list:

Newsy Lalonde (1904-1927)
Cylcone Taylor (1905-1923)
Joe Malone (1910-1924)
Frank Nighbor (1912-1930)
Cy Denneny (1914-1929)

Hutton basically didn't play against these guys, Hern saw very small amounts of Lalonde and Taylor, as I don't think it was common for them to be in the same league.

Paddy Moran was in the NHA from 1910-1917. Percy LeSeuer was in the NHA from 1910-1916. So those two would have seen a lot of Lalonde and Malone, and a little Nighbor and Denneny.

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Nov 5, 1912 - Paddy Moran Popular

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I have been sick for a week and had time to educate myself about hockey history.

Something from Percy LeSueur.

In 1908 was selected (from wikipedia) to the first All star game (Hod stuart memorial game). Moran and Billy Nicholson seemed to be very intrested in playing that game also.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...awa+star&hl=en

His work at 1908-1909 season "Stamped" him as the best goalie in game and made him the best paid goalie. Rumours were that the salary could have been 1000$?

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...r+hockey&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+lesueur&hl=en

From 1908 to 1914 it was quite easy to find articles which mentioned him as the best goalie. Of course itīs possible that it was opinon of few people copied by many?

Here are few.

From 1910 peerless net custodian
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ustodian&hl=en
Bert Lindsay (best of the coast league? I guess he had really great season.) compared to the great Percy Lesueur.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ic+coast&hl=en

"As a goalkeeper ,LeSueur still in a class by himself" (This has appeared here earlier)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+lesueur&hl=en

Lester Patrick old time all star from 1927. Goalies Moran and LeSueur. (mentioned in Morans profile). I guess this just missed Holmes and Lehman who were still playing.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+lesueur&hl=en


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Everything I've read suggests that LeSueur is head and shoulders above the other earliest goalies (no disrespect to Moran). Every stats nerd around here also owes him a debt of gratitude for being the first one to start reporting shot counts when he came back to the league after the war as a reporter. Heck, he even invented the first link to the modern trapper, and his design for the net was used for almost 60 years.

If his playing career isn't enough to push him clearly to the top of that list of four (arguably it does), perhaps his innovations push him over the edge?

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Everything I've read suggests that LeSueur is head and shoulders above the other earliest goalies (no disrespect to Moran). Every stats nerd around here also owes him a debt of gratitude for being the first one to start reporting shot counts when he came back to the league after the war as a reporter. Heck, he even invented the first link to the modern trapper, and his design for the net was used for almost 60 years.

If his playing career isn't enough to push him clearly to the top of that list of four (arguably it does), perhaps his innovations push him over the edge?
Yeah, I know that secondary sources like books after the fact all praise LeSueuer, but I had to wonder if they were overrating him relative to his HHOF peers because

1) He played for Ottawa, which was hockey's glamour team pretty much up until the Great Depression.

2) He did so much for the position of goalie after he retired as a player.

But reading the primary sources from the time, they seem to mostly support Leseuer as the best of the era. Though Moran does get some outside support.

Based on what I know (which has all been presented in this thread, including linked profiles), I'd rank them:

1) LeSueur
2) Moran
3) Hern
4) Hutton

But I'm going to wait and see what other information can be presented in this thread before I say for sure.

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I have been sick for a week and had time to educate myself about hockey history.

Something from Percy LeSueur.

In 1909 was selected (from wikipedia) to the first All star game (Hod stuart memorial game). Moran and Billy Nicholson seemed to be very intrested in playing that game also.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...awa+star&hl=en

His work at 1908-1909 season "Stamped" him as the best goalie in game and made him the best paid goalie. Rumours were that the salary could have been 1000$?

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...r+hockey&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+lesueur&hl=en

From 1908 to 1914 it was quite easy to find articles which mentioned him as the best goalie. Of course itīs possible that it was opinon of few people copied by many?

Here are few.

From 1910 peerless net custodian
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ustodian&hl=en
Bert Lindsay (best of the coast league? I guess he had really great season.) compared to the great Percy Lesueur.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ic+coast&hl=en

"As a goalkeeper ,LeSueur still in a class by himself" (This has appeared here earlier)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+lesueur&hl=en

Lester Patrick old time all star from 1927. Goalies Moran and LeSueur. (mentioned in Morans profile). I guess this just missed Holmes and Lehman who were still playing.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+lesueur&hl=en
Great work

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John Bouse Hutton

CAHL
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
19004-32/61/5+7 ahead of McKenna (Shamrocks)5/5-21 behind Shamrocks
19017-0-11/51/5+5 ahead of McKenna (Shamrocks)2/5-12 behind Vics
19026-2T1/5T1/5tied with Nicholson (MAAA), +10 ahead of Lockerby (Vics)3/5-4 behind MAAA
19036-23/62/5-7 behind Nicholson (MAAA)2/5-1 behind Vics
1904*4-01/51/5+18 ahead of Nichol (Vics)2/5-11 behind Vics
For 1904 under GA and GF and margins I used per game figures. Ottawa resigned during the 1904 season after refusing to replay a disputed game. They retained the Stanley Cup after CAHL champion Quebec refused to challenge Ottawa.

The GAA rank considers goalies who played at least a third of their team's games so that's why you have a higher number in that column than GA rank in certain years.

Playoffs
YearSeries W-LW-LGF-GA
19031-01-0-19-1
Two game total goals series played between Ottawa and the Montreal Vics after tying for first in the CAHL

(Asterisk denotes a Hall of Famer, numbers in parenthesis represent goals scored during series)
PositionOttawaVics
GoalieBouse Hutton*Archie Lockerby
PointHarvey Pulford*W. Strachan
Coverpoint Art MooreFairbank
RoverRat Westwick* / McGee*Russell Bowie*
CenterFrank McGee* (3) / D. GilmourH. Strachan (1)
Left WingBilly Gilmour* (1)Allan
Right WingDave Gilmour (3) / Suddy Gilmour (2)Blair Russel*

Stanley Cup
YearSeries W-LW-LGF-GA
Total4-08-155-22
19031-02-010-4
19043-06-145-18

Won best of three series against Rat Portage (Manitoba HA) 2-0 (10 GF-4 GA) in March 1903
PositionOttawaRat Portage
GBouse Hutton*Fred Dulmage
PHarvey Pulford*Mat Brown
CPArt MooreTom Hooper*
RDave Gilmour (2)Si Griffis*
CFrank McGee* (4)Billy McGimsie* (3)
LWBilly Gilmour* (4)Bill Martin
RWSuddy GilmourRoxy Beaudro (1)


Won best of three series against Winnipeg Rowing Club (Manitoba HA) 2-1 (13 GF-7 GA) in January 1904
PositionOttawaOarmen
GHutton*Art Brown
PPulford*P. Brown
CPMooreS.C. Richards / Hamber
RRat Westwick* (5)Joe Hall* (1)
CMcGee (4)Billy Breen (2)
LWS. Gilmour (2)Nick Bawlf (3)
RWAlf Smith (2) / B. GilmourC. E. Bennest / Claude Borland (1)

Won best of three series against Toronto Marlboros (OHA) 2-0 (17-5) in February 1904
PositionOttawaToronto
GHutton*Eddie Giroux
PPulford* (1)P. Charlton
CPMoore (1)Wright
RWestwick* (1)Tommy Phillips* (2)
CMcGee* (8)H. Birmingham (2)
LWA. Smith* (3)F. McLaren
RWS. Gilmour (3)E. Winchester / Lal Earls (1)

Won two game series against Brandon Wheat Cities (Manitoba North West HA) 2-0 (15-6) in March 1904
PositionOttawaBrandon
GHutton*Dutchy Morrison
PPulford*Lester Patrick*
CPJ. McGeeLorne Hanna (2) / George Smith
RWestwick* (1)George Smith (1) / J. Brodie
CF. McGee* (8)J. Brodie (2) / L. Laidlaw
LWA. Smith* (5)L. Laidlaw (1) / Harry Bright
RWS. Gilmour (1)Harry Bright / Lorne Hanna

The Wanderers also challenged for the Stanley Cup in March 1904 as the winners of the FAHL. Game 1 was played in Montreal and ended a 5-5 tie after the Wanderers refused to play overtime with the current referee. After refusing to replay Game 1 in Ottawa the Wanderers were disqualified and Ottawa retained the Stanley Cup.

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Paddy Moran

CAHL
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
19024-44/54/5-19 behind Nicholson (MAAA) and Hutton (OTT)4/5-13 behind MAAA
19033-45/64/5-27 behind Nicholson (MAAA)4/5-18 behind Vics
19045-12/52/4+11 ahead of Nichol (Vics)2/4-25 behind Vics
19057-23/63/6-12 behind Frye (Vics)1/6+14 ahead of Vics
In 1903 and 1904 for the GA and GF Rank columns I used per game ranks. Some teams played two less games than others so per game ranks only seem fair. Quebec accepted two forfeits in 1904 for example and their Goals Against per game was just above Montreal Victorias despite allowing 11 fewer goals.

ECAHA
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
19063-75/64/6-32 behind Menard (Wanderers)4/6-33 behind Ottawa
19070-66/75/6-49 behind Hern (Wanderers)4/6-43 behind Wanderers
19085-54/74/6-25 behind Nicholson (Shamrocks)2/6-5 behind Ottawa
19093-94/44/4-45 behind Hern (Wanderers)3/4-39 behind Ottawa

NHA
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
19103-85/84/7-41 behind Hern (Wanderers)5/7-19 behind Renfrew
19114-124/54/5-35 behind Vezina (Canadiens)5/5-57 behind Ottawa
191210-82/52/4-13 behind Vezina (Canadiens)3/4-18 behind Ottawa
191316-41/71/6+6 ahead of Vezina (Canadiens) and LeSueur (OTT)1/6+19 ahead of Wanderers
191412-8T4/74/6-8 behind Holmes (Blueshirts) and Vezina (Canadiens)1/6+9 ahead of Wanderers
191511-94/64/6-20 behind Benedict (OTT)2/6-42 behind Wanderers
191610-103/5T3/5-26 behind Benedict (OTT)3/5-13 behind Canadiens
19171-57/73/4-63 behind Benedict (OTT)2/4-22 behind Ottawa
Played for Haileybury in 1910, Quebec 1911-1917

1917 gets messy as the Blueshirts and 228th Battalion didn't participate in the second half of the season. I included their goalies numbers in the GAA rank column but only used the 4 final teams in the GF and GA ranks. It was Moran's final season anyways and he only played 6 of the possible 20 games, which keeps him below the 33% threshold but I put the GAA rank up anyways.

Stanley Cup
YearSeries W-LW-LGF-GA
Total2-04-037-8
19121-02-017-3
19131-02-020-5

Beat Moncton Victorias (Maritime Professional HL) in best of three series 2-0 (17-3) in March 1912
PositionQuebecMoncton
GPaddy Moran*Billy Hague
PGoldie ProdgersRas Murphy
CPJoe Hall* (2)Fred Povey
CJoe Malone* (5)Tommy Smith* (2)
LWEddie Oatman / Jack MarksRollie Norman (1)
RWJack McDonald (9)Louis Berlinguette
SubWalter Rooney (1)Fred Doherty

Beat Sydney Millionaires (Maritime Professional HL) 20-5 in two game series in March 1913
PositionQuebecSydney
GMoran*T. McDonald
PHall* (3)Trenouth (2)
CPHarry Mummery (1)Cap McDonald
CMalone (9) / T. Smith* (4)Ken Randall (1)
LWT. Smith* (4) / Marks (2)Bill Dumphy
RWRusty Crawford* / W. CreightonFraser
SubW. Creighton (1)Tetreault (1) / Wilkie (1)
Quebec also played a three game exhibition series against the PCHA champion Victoria Aristocrats. All three games were played in Victoria and Quebec went 1-2 (12-16). Quebec won Game 2 under Eastern Rules and dropped Games 1 and 3 under Western Rules. The next year, the NHA champion Blueshirts accepted a Stanley Cup challenge from Victoria and this was the first many NHA/L - PCHA clashes to come.

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WPHL
YearW-LGA RankMarginsGF RankMarginsAll-Star Teams
19029-52/3-4 behind PAC2/3-3 behind PAC1st Team
19031-104/4-53 behind Bankers4/4-39 behind Bankers
Goes from being named the best goalie in the league during his first season to awful numbers in his second season as the Keystones sag to last place in the league and eventually fold in 1904 after Hern moves on.

Hern also played in a 5 game exhibition at the end of the 1902 season. I believe it was against other American teams, which probably wasn't the strongest level of competition at this time.

IHL
YearW-LGA RankMarginsGF RankMarginsAll-Star Teams
190515-7-23/5-6 behind Calumet2/5-33 behind Calumet1st Team
190615-52/5-13 behind Michigan Soo3/5-21 behind Michigan Soo2nd Team
Houghton-Portage played 4 more games in 1906 which LoH doesn't give Hern credit for. I would assume this means a backup played and they went 4-0.

Hern also had a great year statistically in 1904, but it was during a series of exhibitions as Houghton-Portage had a great team with paid pros, but no league to accept them.
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In 1903–04, the professional Houghton team, without a league of its own, played exhibition games against teams from Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario and Michigan prompting the OHA to ban both the American Soo Indians and Canadian Sault Hockey Club from competing against Canadian amateur teams. As a result, the two teams had nowhere to go but to the proposed professional league.
ECAHA
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
190710-01/71/6+15 ahead of LeSueur (OTT)1/6+4 over Vics
19088-22/73/6-3 behind Nicholson (Shamrocks)4/6-23 behind Ottawa
19099-31/41/4+2 ahead of LeSueur (OTT)2/4-35 behind Ottawa

NHA
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
191011-11/81/7+13 ahead of Lindsay (Renfrew)2/7-5 behind Ottawa
19117-93/53/5-26 behind Vezina (Canadiens)3/5-49 behind Ottawa

Stanley Cup
YearSeries W-LW-LGF-GA
Total7-110-4105-54
19072-13-337-25
19083-05-048-16
19091-01-113-10
19101-01-07-3

Beat New Glasgow Cubs (Maritime Professional HL) 17-5 in two game series in December 1906
PositionWanderersCubs
GRiley Hern*Dutchy Morrison
PWilliam StrachanJames Musick / J. McDonald (2)
CPRod Kennedy (1)McMillan / P. McDonald
RLester Patrick* (6)Jack Marks (2) / Billy Lannon
CPud Glass (5)J. McDonald (2) / Williams
LWMoose Johnson* (2)Williams / Murphy (1)
RWErnie Russell* (3) / Cecil BlachfordBilly Lannon / James Musick

Lost to Kenora Thistles (Manitoba Professional HL) 8-12 in two games series in January 1907
PositionWanderersThistles
GRiley Hern*Eddie Giroux
PRod KennedyW. Strachan / Art Ross*
CPHod Stuart*Si Griffis*
RLester Patrick* (3)Tom Hooper* (3)
CErnie Russell* (4)Billy McGimsie* (1)
LWPud GlassRoxy Beaudro (1)
RWMoose Johnson*Tommy Phillips* (7)
SubJack Marshall (1)

Beat Kenora Thistles (Manitoba Professional HL) 12-8 in two games series in March 1907
PositionWanderersThistles
GHern*Giroux
PL. Patrick*(1)T. Hooper* / Beaudro (1)
CPH. Stuart*Griffis* (1)
RGlass (3)Rat Westwick*
CRussell* (5)Fred Whitcroft* (2)
LWBlachfordAlf Smith* (2)
RWJohnson* (3)Tommy Phillips* (2)
Kenora used Alf Smith and Rat Westwick as ringers during this series despite the orders of Stanley Cup trustee Foran

Beat Ottawa Vics (FAHL) 22-4 in two game series in January 1908
PositionWanderersVics
GHern*Billy Hague
PArt Ross* (3)Charles Ross
CPT. Hooper*Milne / Jack Ryan
RGlass (4)Eddie Roberts (1) / Eddie Gerard*
CE. Russell* (10)Young / Manson (1)
LWWalter Smail / Blachford (1)Harrison (1)
RWM. Johnson* (4)Fraser (1)

Beat Winnipeg Maple Leafs (Manitoba Professional HL) 20-8 in two games series in March 1908
PositionWanderersMaple Leafs
GHern*Jack Winchester
PRoss* (1)Grindy Forrester
CPSmail (3)Barney Holden
RGlass (1)Hamby Shore (2)
CBruce Stuart* (6)Lorne Campbell
LWBlachford (3)Kennedy (4)
RWM. Johnson* (6)Fred Lake (2)

Beat Toronto Trolley Leaguers (OPHL) 6-4 in single game series in March 1908
PositionWanderersTrolley Leaguers
GHern*Chuck Tyner
PRoss*Con Corbeau
CPSmailRowley Young (1)
RGlass (2)Bert Morrison
CE. Russell* (1)Newsy Lalonde* (2)
LWBlachford (1)Bruce Ridpath (1)
RWM. Johnson* (1)Wally Mercer
Sub B. Stuart* (1)Jack Marks

Beat Edmonton HC (AAHA) 13-10 in two game series in December 1908
PositionWanderersEdmonton
GHern*Bert Lindsay
PRoss*L. Patrick* (1)
CPSmail (1)Didier Pitre*
RGlass (5)Fred Whitcroft* (2)
CHarry Smith (6)Steve Vair (1) / Harold Deeton (3)
LWM. Johnson* (1)Tommy Phillips* (1) / Hay Millar (2)
RWJimmy Gardner*Harold McNamara / Steve Vair

Beat Berlin Dutchmen (OPHL) 7-3 in single game series in March 1910
PositionWanderersDutchmen
GHern*Lehman*
PJack Marshall*J. Seibert (1)
CPM. Johnson*Harvey Corbeau (1)
RGlass E. Edmunds
CE. Russell* (4)Ezra Dumart
LWHarry Hyland* (3)Roy Anderson
RWJimmy Gardner* Oren Frood (1)


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FAHL
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
19067-01/51/5+17 ahead of Cornwall3/5-30 behind Brockville
Not the strongest competition but great results. LeSueur's club was new to the FAHL, which just lost Ottawa (played 1905) and Wanderers (1904-1905), and went undefeated winning the league title.

ECAHA
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
19077-32/72/6-15 behind Hern (Wanderers)3/6-29 behind Wanderers
19087-32/72/6-2 behind Nicholson (Shamrocks)1/6+5 ahead of Quebec
190910-22/42/4-2 behind Hern (Wanderers)1/4+35 ahead of Wanderers
LeSueur was selected to play in the Hod Stuart Benefit in 1908 for the team of All-Stars.

NHA
YearW-LGAA RankGA RankMarginsGF RankMargins
19109-33/83/7-25 behind Hern (Wanderers)3/7-7 behind Renfrew
191113-32/52/5-7 behind Vezina (Canadiens)1/6+31 over Renfrew
19129-94/53/4-17 behind Vezina (Canadiens)1/4+4 over Wanderers
19137-104/7T2/6-6 behind Moran (Quebec)3/6-25 behind Quebec
19146-6T4/73/6-6 behind Holmes (Blueshirts) and Vezina (Canadiens)5/6-46 behind Quebec
19158-116/66/6-31 behind Benedict (Ottawa)3/6-51 behind Ottawa
19169-134/5T3/5-26 behind Benedict (Ottawa)2/6-7 behind Canadiens
1907-1914 with Ottawa, 1915 with Toronto Ontarios, 1916 with Toronto Blueshirts

Playoffs
YearSeries W-LW-LGF-GA
Total0-11-09-3
Ottawa and the Wanderers tied with 9-1 records at the top of the ECAHA and required a playoff. Ottawa lost Game One 9-1 with Billy Hague in net. They replaced him with LeSueur in Game Two and the results were much different with Ottawa winning the game 9-3 but losing the series on total goals.

Stanley Cup
YearSeries W-LW-LGF-GA
Total4-16-263-37
19060-10-27-14
19102-04-036-15
19112-02-020-8

Lost to Ottawa (ECAHA) 0-2 in best of three series (7 GF- 14 GA) in March 1906
PositionSmiths FallsOttawa
GPercy LeSueur*Billy Hague
PBrown (1)Harvey Pulford*
CPArmstrong (1)Art Moore
RHugh Ross (1)Rat Westwick* (2)
CJ. Fraser (2)Frank McGee* (9)
LWArt Serviss (2)Alf Smith* (2)
RWR. MayTommy Smith* / Harry Smith (1)

Beat Galt (OPHL) 15-4 in two game series in January 1910
PositionOttawaGalt
GLeSueur*Hugh Lehman*
PFred Lake (2)P. Charlton (1)
CPKen Mallen / Hamby ShoreRas Murphy
RBruce Stuart* (3)Manson (2) / Goldie Cochrane
CMarty Walsh* (6)Jim Mallen
LWHamby Shore (2) / Bruce RidpathA. Dusome / H. Doherty
RWBruce Ridpath (2) / Dubbie KerrH. Doherty (1) / A. Dusome

Beat Edmonton Eskimos (AAHA) 21 to 11 in two games series in January 1910
PositionOttawaEdmonton
GLeSueur*Jack Winchester
PFred LakeWilliam Field
CPHamby Shore (1)Hugh Ross
RBruce Stuart* (7)Fred Whitcroft* (5)
CMarty Walsh* (2)Harold Deeton (3)
LWBruce Ridpath (4)Hay Millar (1)
RWGordon "Doc" Roberts* (7)Bert Boulton (2)

Beat Galt (OPHL) 7-4 in one game series in March 1911
PositionOttawaGalt
GLeSueur*Billy Hague
PFred Lake (1)Billy Baird
CPHamby ShoreRas Murphy
RJack Darragh*Jim Mallen
CMarty Walsh* (3)Tommy Smith* (1)
LWBruce Ridpath (2)Louis Berlinguette (2)
RWDubbie Kerr (1)Fred Doherty (1)

Beat Port Arthur (Saskatchewan) 13-4 in one game series in March 1911
PositionOttawaPort Arthur
GLeSueur*Zeigler
PFred LakeMcDonough
CPHamby ShoreEd Carpenter (1)
RJack Darragh*Jack Walker* (1)
CMarty Walsh* (10)O'Leary
LWBruce Ridpath (2)McGregor (1)
RWDubbie Kerr (1)Wellington (1)


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John Bower “Bouse” Hutton

10/24/1877 – 10/27/1962
Hand: Left

Played for:
Ottawa Hockey Club (1899-1902)
Ottawa Silver Seven (1903-04)
Ottawa Senators (1909)

Statistics:
YearLeagueTeamGPWTGASOGAA
1899CAHLOttawa Hockey Club2101105.50
1900CAHLOttawa Hockey Club7401902.71
1901CAHLOttawa Hockey Club8712002.50
1902CAHLOttawa Hockey Club8501321.70
1903CAHLOttawa Silver Seven8603003.80
1904CAHLOttawa Silver Seven4401503.82
1909FAHLOttawa Senators5302615.20
         
TotalCAHLOttawa Hockey Club, et al3727110622.86
TotalALLOttawa Hockey Club, et al4229113233.14

Playoffs:
YearLeagueTeamGPWTGASOGAATeam Played
1903CAHLOttawa Silver Seven211110.50Montreal Victorias
1903Stanley CupOttawa Silver Seven220402.00Rat Portage Thistles
1904Stanley CupOttawa Silver Seven8611612.00Winnipeg Rowing Club, et al*
          
TotalStanley CupOttawa Silver Seven12922121.756x Stanley Cup Challenge Champion
         

*Played in 4 Stanley Cup challenges, beating the Winnipeg Rowing Club 2 games to 1, the Toronto Marlboros 2-0, the Montreal Wanderers by forfeit, and the Brandon Wheat Cities 2-0.
The Montreal Wanderers forfeited in the middle of a 5-5 game due to a dispute with the referee. I chose to include this in Hutton’s statistics as a 5-5 tie, which was possible because the series was slated to be a two-game total goals series.

Transaction History:
N/A

Awards:
1899: 5th in GAA
1900: 2nd
1901: 1st
1902: T-1st
1903: 3rd
1904: 1st (2nd was 2.2 GAA behind)
1909: ?
1962: Inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame

*There were no All-Star awards given out during Hutton’s career, or any other awards.
** Minimum 2 games played

Newspaper Articles:


Quote:
Originally Posted by The Montreal Gazette, January 19, 1903
Hutton was in hard luck. He stopped numerous difficult shots, and then kicked the puck into his own net for Montreal's first tally.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Montreal Gazette, December 31, 1903
While it has been said that Ottawa was the more effective in close quarters it must not be imagined that the Ottawa defence had any holiday, and even "Bouse" Hutton had to take care of some snappy shots.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Montreal Gazette, December 16, 1908
The Ottawas have not yet closed with either Lesueur or Hutton... The officers are still after Bouse Hutton for the nets.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Score!: The Action and Artistry of Hockey’s Magnificent Moment by Mark Stewart and Mike Kennedy
Late in 1903, Ottawa accepted a challenge from the Winnipeg Rowing Club… In the deciding game, neither team could score. Ottawa goalie Bouse Hutton made one save after another.
My take:
There is very little newspaper research to be done on Bouse Hutton - eight google search pages total, and many were about his lacrosse feats, which were many. Either way, even in newspapers from after his time reflecting on Ottawa's Stanley Cups, he was usually simply mentioned, and not described the way Frank McGee was. This leads me to believe that he wasn't a star on his team. However, the 1908 article makes it seem as though he was thought of, at least in that moment, as better than LeSueur. Still, while he may have been one of the better goalies of his time, there's nothing to make me think he's one of the best of all time.

Fun Facts:
Hutton was a true three-sport star. He won his first Canadian lacrosse championship in 1901, and continued to play. He and his team toured England during his temporary retirement from hockey, and his team won 24 of 25 games. He also won the Canadian football championship in 1902 with the Ottawa Rough Riders.


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Just need to finish newspaper research and Hutton will be done.

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