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01-06-2013, 08:40 PM
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Do you having any reasoning behind this statement?
I hope you're not trying to say Schneider and Dubnyk are comparables?

The Canucks are preparing to move an elite goaltender to give the crease to Cory Schneider. Do you think a team would move Luongo so Dubnyk could step in as the #1? Keep in mind the Canucks are looking to push for a cup in the next 2 years - they wouldn't hang onto Schneider if they weren't 100% sold on him being an elite level player at his position.

No goalie in the league has stopped a higher % of shots than Cory Schneider over the last 2 years. The guy is as good as anyone out there.

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Haha. I don't want Kadri traded in general. He's my favourite Leafs prospect. I don't hate Vancouver (second favourite team). In fact if Kadri were to be traded Vancouver would be the second team I would want it to go to BUT I really want Kadri to stay as a leafs. I believe he has high potential.

I hear you. I like Kadri and can understand why you would want it that way.


If Kadri and Bozak are dealt though, does that mean Colborne graduates with a spot on TOR?

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No, just Bozak and Kadri but his comments were more teasing John Shannon than anything else.
He was being a bit sarcastic but he was also pushing Shannon a bit with his information. I think both of them know who's been talked about.

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He was being a bit sarcastic but he was also pushing Shannon a bit with his information. I think both of them know who's been talked about.
Agreed, I think the deal will include Bozak and Kadri but it's possible assets could be added on either side.

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Watch him traded to Chicago now or something.

How would Canuck fans feel about that?
if the return was right, i wouldnt mind
its not so much the thought of him going to TO that doesnt work, but going for ho-hum pieces

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He was being a bit sarcastic but he was also pushing Shannon a bit with his information. I think both of them know who's been talked about.


Agreed. There's gotta be something to this.

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At this point in time I think it's likely Bozak would be included, however I really don't feel he would be a good fit for us.

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There is no realistic scenario where the Leafs trade first for Luongo.
There is no realistic scenario where Gillis trades with Toronto for a return less than a first (in value).

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If Kadri and Bozak are dealt though, does that mean Colborne graduates with a spot on TOR?
I think that depends if Toronto gets a #1 Centre. While I can see Colborne moving up the depth chart I think he needs to do a little more making the Leafs roster full time if their top Centre's remain Grabovski and Connolly. Plus if they add a #1 Centre it might mean Colborne plays on their 3rd line, which might not be a bad thing.

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At this point in time I think it's likely Bozak would be included, however I really don't feel he would be a good fit for us.
yeah, not that impressed w him
had great wingers and put up ok #s
just screams of a guy who will put up poor #s with average wingers
and he not particularly a defensive specialist, right? so what does he excel at?
(in fairness I've not watched a lot of him ...just highlights and the odd game here and there ....and of course stats)
Kulemin or Lupul along with a pick & a prospect would be preferable, though we do need a C ...

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I know that Keenan mentioned it, but I thought his owner nixing the deal was new?


Kypreos just referenced the players involved. Nothing about picks... yet.
I remember Keenan saying before how their owner didn't want to approve the trade.

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Schneider > Dubnyk

Dubnyk is a good young goalie but Schneider is better. Schneider has proven himself as a legit starter in my mind, not elite yet but a starter, Dubnyk hasn't proven himself as a legit starter.
Schneider needs to play more than 30 odd games a few seasons in a row before he proves anything.
Dubnyk is posting .91X save percentages, playing more than 35 games per season on the team with the leagues worst record and defence.

I can't help but wonder how good Dubnyk would look playing behind Van's defense.

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yeah, not that impressed w him
had great wingers and put up ok #s
just screams of a guy who will put up poor #s with average wingers
and he not particularly a defensive specialist, right? so what does he excel at?
(in fairness I've not watched a lot of him ...just highlights and the odd game here and there ....and of course stats)
Kulemin or Lupul along with a pick & a prospect would be preferable, though we do need a C ...
Hes fantastic on faceoffs. While not a defensive specialist, hes average at least. Wilson's system killed any defensive ability our players had, so simply looking at his +/- isnt an accurate read on him.

Ideally I'd like him on our 3rd line. However hes got the wheels, and decent hands, to play top line minutes.

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Schneider needs to play more than 30 odd games a few seasons in a row before he proves anything.
Dubnyk is posting .91X save percentages, playing more than 35 games per season on the team with the leagues worst record and defence.

I can't help but wonder how good Dubnyk would look playing behind Van's defense.
If you can find a single person in the sports media or working in the NHL that thinks dubnyk is a better and more proven commodity than schneider feel free to post it here. The last time these two were in the same universe was June 2004.

One player has just won a jennings trophy and beat out a future hall of fame goalie for a starting spot and the other is the starter on the 29th placed team in the nhl with a gm that admits to a desire to upgrade his goaltending.

In the face of evidence anyone who thinks these two are comparable in any way shape or form is just trying to wind people up or a homer of the highest order.

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Schneider needs to play more than 30 odd games a few seasons in a row before he proves anything.
Dubnyk is posting .91X save percentages, playing more than 35 games per season on the team with the leagues worst record and defence.

I can't help but wonder how good Dubnyk would look playing behind Van's defense.
Cory Schneider looks infinitely better than Devan Dubnyk in terms of technical and athletic ability. I'm dumbfounded people could watch these 2 and compare them in any way, shape or form.

Schneider looks better than Roberto Luongo. Dubnyk couldn't carry Lou's jockstrap...

If Cory Schneider is such a question mark, why is a team that is looking to win a Stanley cup in the next 2 years moving the best goalie they've had in a 40 plus year history, while he's still playing at an elite level?

Here's a hint - anyone and everyone that has watched Schneider over the last 2 years is convinced he's destined to be a star.

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I think that depends if Toronto gets a #1 Centre. While I can see Colborne moving up the depth chart I think he needs to do a little more making the Leafs roster full time if their top Centre's remain Grabovski and Connolly. Plus if they add a #1 Centre it might mean Colborne plays on their 3rd line, which might not be a bad thing.
JVR is going to be the #1 C IMO. At least trying him out there.

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yeah, not that impressed w him
had great wingers and put up ok #s
just screams of a guy who will put up poor #s with average wingers
and he not particularly a defensive specialist, right? so what does he excel at?
(in fairness I've not watched a lot of him ...just highlights and the odd game here and there ....and of course stats)
Kulemin or Lupul along with a pick & a prospect would be preferable, though we do need a C ...
He may not be a defensive specialist but he's a pretty damn good defensive center. Backchecks his ass off and made some pretty nice goal saving plays getting back in the play last season, he's a very intelligent player. He may not score a ton but with the skill that you guys have he may do better than you think.

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Do you having any reasoning behind this statement?
Watching them play whenever we play Edmonton Dubnyk just doesn't look as calm, cool and agile.

Also Schneider did post better statistic's behind a team that wasn't nearly as good as people think and then he played lights out in all the big/pressure situations he was put into.

For what it's worth he also went over to the Swiss league to play for Ambri-Piotta (The worst team in that league) and was playing very well, he had a .914 SV% while facing 40+ shots every game, and I'm not kidding he actually faced 40+ shots every game.

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Schneider needs to play more than 30 odd games a few seasons in a row before he proves anything.
Dubnyk is posting .91X save percentages, playing more than 35 games per season on the team with the leagues worst record and defence.

I can't help but wonder how good Dubnyk would look playing behind Van's defense.
Alot of times last year our defense and wasn't nearly as good as you would think, ask any Van fan who followed the team closely all year last year, there was a huge stretch in Janurary and Feburary where our goaltenders carried the team.

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He may not be a defensive specialist but he's a pretty damn good defensive center. Backchecks his ass off and made some pretty nice goal saving plays getting back in the play last season, he's a very intelligent player. He may not score a ton but with the skill that you guys have he may do better than you think.
good to know, thx
B_S too

can he center Higgins & Hansen for a championship-grade 3rd line?
or sub for Kesler btw Booth and Raymond or Higgins for a productive 2nd line?
that's where he'd slot in...

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If you can find a single person in the sports media or working in the NHL that thinks dubnyk is a better and more proven commodity than schneider feel free to post it here. The last time these two were in the same universe was June 2004.

One player has just won a jennings trophy and beat out a future hall of fame goalie for a starting spot and the other is the starter on the 29th placed team in the nhl with a gm that admits to a desire to upgrade his goaltending.

In the face of evidence anyone who thinks these two are comparable in any way shape or form is just trying to wind people up or a homer of the highest order.
I didn't say any of that.
All I really said was that I don't think Cory Schneider has played enough to be considered as good or valuable as everybody else does.
Keep in mind, this is just my opinion. I also wasn't saying Dubnyk was as good as Schneider, I just don't think they are miles apart like some would suggest.

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I hear you. I like Kadri and can understand why you would want it that way.


If Kadri and Bozak are dealt though, does that mean Colborne graduates with a spot on TOR?
I doubt it.

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I have to admit it's going to be pretty funny reading all the disappointed Canuck fans on here after a trade is worked out. You guys aren't going to get back what you think he's worth.

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All I really said was that I don't think Cory Schneider has played enough to be considered as good or valuable as everybody else does.
Of course not - to the rest of the league he's a goalie who's only played 68 games.

To the Canucks he's the next franchise goalie.

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I didn't say any of that.
All I really said was that I don't think Cory Schneider has played enough to be considered as good or valuable as everybody else does.
Keep in mind, this is just my opinion. I also wasn't saying Dubnyk was as good as Schneider, I just don't think they are miles apart like some would suggest.
RNH isn't nearly as proven as Ryan Smyth. Doesn't mean it's not easy to see he'll be the better player, starting as early as this season.

The Canucks were not a good defensive team last season. Schneider was unbelievable behind a team that looked tired and disinterested as often as they didn't. His SV% blew Luongo's out of the water - and Lou is an elite player.

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Watching them play whenever we play Edmonton Dubnyk just doesn't look at calm, cool and agile.

Also Schneider did post better statistic's behind a team that wasn't nearly as good as people think and then he played lights out in all the big/pressure situations he was put into.

For what it is worse he also went over to the Swiss league to play for Ambri-Piotta (The worst team in that league) and was playing very well, he had a .914 SV% while facing 40+ shots every game, and I'm not kidding he actually faced 40+ shots every game.



Alot of times last year our defense and wasn't nearly as good as you would think, ask any Van fan who followed the team closely all year last year, there was a huge stretch in Janurary and Feburary where our goaltenders carried the team.
yes, this is one of my concerns, tbh...
their forward set was top tier in the league, but D just above-avg
canucks have 4 good #2-#3 level guys, but no clear #1. And their 3rd pairing is ho-hum. This is another thing in Luo's favor, tbh -- unlike the Smiths, Bryzs and Rinnes of the world, who are made to look better by the system they play in (and the dmen they play behind), it's the opposite for Canuck goalies...
I firmly believe the team that acquires Luongo is going to love how much of a boost he gives them...that's why im quite torn about selling him. If the Schneider return was significantly higher, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

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