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01-04-2013, 06:55 PM
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And Kypreos finally proves what a freaking moron he is.
I know this guy got beat on A LOT - but really? If you are Kypreos, how can you show you're THAT frigging clueless. Frigging Sportsnet should take away his phone and internet connection.


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I know the punishment for cap circumvention in the Kovalchuk Penalty was at Bettman's discretion. While I disagree with his discretion in that particular instance, I don't see how it's some sort of egregious sin to believe the commissioner should be the one to administer punishment for hiding HRR.

Clearly his discretion on weighing these issues is trusted in some way, yes? Otherwise that power would not have already been given to him.

The other option would be the Board of Governors.

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01-04-2013, 06:56 PM
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And Kypreos finally proves what a freaking moron he is.
He passed that point years ago. He is the absolute worst so called "insider there is. The guy is still suffering from concussion symptoms.

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Yeah. That's wrong.

They said that's what they want for the 2013-14 season. If there's one at this rate.

Don't know why he's quoting they're $1.5bn apart. They're not.
It could be the dumbest thing I've read so far concerning the lockout and I followed Allan walsh on twitter for a few weeks.

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It's like two friends that are mad at each other and another mutual friend has to go back and fourth passing messages....such children.

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One thing I find funny is that both sides say they've no trust in the other but they fail to realise the lost trust from the fans.

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I know this guy got beat on A LOT - but really? If your Kypreos, how can you show you're THAT frigging clueless. Frigging Sportsnet should take away his phone and internet connection.
He tries to be so supportive of the players almost to a hindrance to his own career. His pro-player objective is sickening.

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what still i find hard to believe is that apparently no one has ever reported a damned thing about the signing bonuses.

I brought this up a couple of threads ago and got unanswered so i guess it's not just me having missed it.

Wouldn't signing bonuses a la Weber be the first thing to take out of the system, as money outside the system ? (i.e. outside teams caps)

i want to believe that if they are arguing over % variance (btw, 30% per year as LeBrun keeps saying doesn't mean too much per se, what makes it reasonable is that apparently overall variance would be capped at 60% of the highest paid year) it means the signing bonuses have been banned to begin with, but i've yet to read anything about it.


Oh, and LOL at Kypreos.

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So they're fighting over $150 million in imaginary money (as in money that is actually paid to the players), right?

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One thing I find funny is that both sides say they've no trust in the other but they fail to realise the lost trust from the fans.
Excellent point. Do they even care? Have they both even thought of the damage this has done to the game on both sides of the border? They both keep talking about the greater good and longevity of the game but what they have done to it this time around may take 10 years to fix. This is the biggest embarrassment in the history of the NHL.

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what still i find hard to believe is that apparently no one has ever reported a damned thing about the signing bonuses.

I brought this up a couple of threads ago and got unanswered so i guess it's not just me having missed it.

Wouldn't signing bonuses a la Weber be the first thing to take out of the system, as money outside the system ? (i.e. outside teams caps)

i want to believe that if they are arguing over % variance (btw, 30% per year as LeBrun keeps saying doesn't mean too much per se, what makes it reasonable is that apparently overall variance would be capped at 60% of the highest paid year) it means the signing bonuses have been banned to begin with, but i've yet to read anything about it.


Oh, and LOL at Kypreos.

Signing bonuses are included in the cap calculation.

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01-04-2013, 07:01 PM
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what still i find hard to believe is that apparently no one has ever reported a damned thing about the signing bonuses.

I brought this up a couple of threads ago and got unanswered so i guess it's not just me having missed it.

Wouldn't signing bonuses a la Weber be the first thing to take out of the system, as money outside the system ? (i.e. outside teams caps)

i want to believe that if they are arguing over % variance (btw, 30% per year as LeBrun keeps saying doesn't mean too much per se, what makes it reasonable is that apparently overall variance would be capped at 60% of the highest paid year) it means the signing bonuses have been banned to begin with, but i've yet to read anything about it.


Oh, and LOL at Kypreos.
If I recall correctly (which is iffy at this point) the signing bonuses would be accounted for as 'salary' in that year, and would be subject to the variance rules.

But I'm starting to lose a grasp on things. I didn't even know about the $1.5 B difference Kypreos found! lol ... meathead.....

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So they're fighting over $150 million in imaginary money (as in money that is actually paid to the players), right?
Up to $150 million. $150 would only be if every team spent to the cap which obviously isn't going to happen.

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What did Kypreos say?

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One thing I find funny is that both sides say they've no trust in the other but they fail to realise the lost trust from the fans.
The fans do not matter. They never have.

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Last years min salary = $525k (up $25k every year of old CBA after yr2). At same pace, by yr9 of new CBA = $750k. PA wants bump to hit $800k

seems really unnecessary. Probably just something for the NHLPA to give up to gain on something else.

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First, there's no proof they highlighted changes.
Second, you think it's a good move by Bettman to propose in the last week of negotiations that he be the adjudicator of penalties for falsifying HRR. With the whole system depending on an accurate calculation of HRR in order for it to work you give the owners the discretion to decide on penalties? Sorry that's a dick move just designed to piss off the players.
The only thing I agree with you on is that it was a cheap stunt. We just disagree on who pulled that stunt.
There's as much proof they highlighted their changes as there is any changes were made in the first place. Just second hand reports from journalists.

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fans saying "blah blah blah we don't care" certainly doesn't help.

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What did Kypreos say?
Not sure, it was written in gibberish....
LOL

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In November,the NHL proposed a number of contract changes to the PA. Some of them were fulfilling requests made by the PA.

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(5) agreement to continue increasing Minimum Salaries over life of new CBA
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Larry Brooks reported the minimum salary will be $625,000 under the NHL proposal

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The minimum salary was $525,000 in 2011-12. It was $450,000 in 05-06. $450K,$450K,$475K,$475K,$500K,$500K and $525K.

Renaud Lavoie tweeted year 9 being $800,000.

If its $25,000 annual increases,it reaches $800,000 by year 8. Maybe its the same number for a couple of seasons.

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Signing bonuses are included in the cap calculation.
that would make sense, but it didn't look like that to me (only performances bonuses would, in memory), and capgeek seems to confirm:
http://www.capgeek.com/predators/
http://www.capgeek.com/player/1042
http://www.capgeek.com/player/2261

what am i missing?

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I know the punishment for cap circumvention in the Kovalchuk Penalty was at Bettman's discretion. While I disagree with his discretion in that particular instance, I don't see how it's some sort of egregious sin to believe the commissioner should be the one to administer punishment for hiding HRR. Clearly his discretion on weighing these issues is trusted in some way, yes? Otherwise that power would not have already been given to him.

The other option would be the Board of Governors.
I disagree. The whole system is based on the integrity of HRR and you give the owners the discretion to decide penalties. The commissioner should have the discretion to hand out player discipline but there is no way Bettman should get the discretion on this issue. That was a non starter and he knew it.

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There's as much proof they highlighted their changes as there is any changes were made in the first place. Just second hand reports from journalists.
There's pretty good proof that they tried to change the penalties for falsifying HRR. The NHL itself admitted that there was a change and said they notified the PA. Anyways, just another idiotic move in a long list by both sides.

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fans saying "blah blah blah we don't care" certainly doesn't help.
should we be raiding the NHL offices with pitch forks and torches? IF they don't care about the fans (which is obvious they don't), why do they expect us to care about them?

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Nick Kypreos‏@RealKyper https://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/287344000598437888

Cap fight. #NHL wants 60M #NHLPA wants 65M. Diff is 150M available $'s per season to players in system. Over 10 yrs that's 1.5B #areweclose?
No Kypreos, it doesn't work that way.

1) This 65m guaranteed cap is for just next season

2) Extra cap dollars =/= extra actual dollars. If 50% of revenues with no escrow caps and the makewhole amount has been agreed to (which is what we've been told), +-$150 cap dollars is worth a whopping $0 in actual dollars.

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