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01-04-2013, 10:17 PM
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Now Renaud Lavoie tweets this:

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS/sta...11459380617216

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Une bonne journée de travail dans la LNH. C'est la conclusion à avoir. Reste qu'il faut demeurer optimiste, sans s'emballer.

A good day of work in the NHL. That's the conclusion we should have. It remains that we need to stay optimistic, without getting carried away.


Up the roller coaster we go...

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Fehr knew the league was aiming for 50/50. He just saw it as a chance to anger his membership and galvanize them.

It's easier to Hurd NHL players than sheep. Even dogs Hurd sheep.

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01-04-2013, 10:20 PM
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Well I made my last payment tonight guys, for better or worse. I was on a payment plan and I had to keep paying at the beginning of every month until something was decided.

I paid $372 of the $496 I owed, which was 20 of the 41 games (split 2 seats 4 ways). I'll be getting money back either way...it's either the full $372 or $89. We'll see I guess.

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01-04-2013, 10:23 PM
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If these talks do break down, after multiple days of negotiations, I don't see any way a deal will be struck later in the coming week. I believe both sides know it is now or never and that is why they are continuing on a daily basis.

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http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...r-home-run-cox

O The past 48 hours saw the players’ union consumed with portraying the owners as liars and thieves, and with conducting pointless membership votes on a “disclaimer of interest” strategy that didn’t pay dividends this week but might still, at least in the minds of true NHLPA believers.

To those folks, Don Fehr is very much still The Man, the conquerer of evil baseball owners and the person who will somehow deliver a spectacular victory for the most dysfunctional union in sports.

He can drag his feet all he wants, he can organize yet another predictable disclaimer vote or create an atmosphere that makes his membership believe they are bargaining against hockey’s Evil Empire.

But he’s still going to have to deliver.

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01-04-2013, 10:25 PM
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Fehr knew the league was aiming for 50/50. He just saw it as a chance to anger his membership and galvanize them.
True. I think part of the problem is the 'hockey player culture'. If Fehr continues to somehow convince them that this fight is about integrity and protecting the future of the game, the pride of the players will have them fight to the end even thought it is not to their individual benefit anymore.

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01-04-2013, 10:26 PM
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Now Renaud Lavoie tweets this:

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDSii/s...11459380617216

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Une bonne journée de travail dans la LNH. C'est la conclusion à avoir. Reste qu'il faut demeurer optimiste, sans s'emballer.

A good day of work in the NHL. That's the conclusion we should have. It remains that we need to stay optimistic, without getting carried away.
again,has mediation / mediators, ever solved
a pro sports lockout?

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01-04-2013, 10:28 PM
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again,has mediation / mediators, ever solved
a pro sports lockout?
They played a big part with the NBA

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01-04-2013, 10:31 PM
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So what was all the food being delivered for?

Was it for tomorrow?

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I still think this comes down to DOI. If they play that hand, it's done. No season. If they don't, 11th hour deal gets done.

I'm not sure why I keep checking this site, maybe habit.

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01-04-2013, 10:33 PM
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So what was all the food being delivered for?

Was it for tomorrow?
They ate the food while discussing amongst themselves. Yet a bad idea since when i'm full, I have to poop and then i'm out of there.

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01-04-2013, 10:36 PM
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They played a big part with the NBA
Mediation in nhl,nba,nfl has never worked ever...so see it for what it is...anyone hoping is setting yourself up...waste of time...


http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/...service=mobile

Jeffrey Kessler, a high-profile New York lawyer who served as
the lead negotiator for the National Basketball Players
Association last year, took part in the mediation sessions
during both the NFL and NBA lockouts.
In the end, Kessler said the entrenched positions involved are
the main reason why mediation solves little in professional
sports labour disputes.
“It did not work in football and basketball,” Kessler said.
“Bargaining came to a standstill and mediation wasn’t able to
break through it.
“We tried,” Kessler added. “In the end, the only thing that
eventually led to a resolution was ending the union and
litigating.”

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They ate the food while discussing amongst themselves. Yet a bad idea since when i'm full, I have to poop and then i'm out of there.
hahahhahaha i love all the funny posts, keeps me sane during this ridiculous lockout

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01-04-2013, 10:37 PM
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Medeation in nhl,nba,nfl has never worked ever...so.see it for what it is...anyone hoping is setting yourself up...


http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/...service=mobile

Jeffrey Kessler, a high-profile New York lawyer who served as
the lead negotiator for the National Basketball Players
Association last year, took part in the mediation sessions
during both the NFL and NBA lockouts.
In the end, Kessler said the entrenched positions involved are
the main reason why mediation solves little in professional
sports labour disputes.
“It did not work in football and basketball,” Kessler said.
“Bargaining came to a standstill and mediation wasn’t able to
break through it.
“We tried,” Kessler added. “In the end, the only thing that
eventually led to a resolution was ending the union and
litigating.”
First time for everything

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01-04-2013, 10:41 PM
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Seriously, if i'm an owner i lockout the players this year and all of next year, let them go flip burgers at burger king.

NHLPA is very lucky so far thinking they can do whatever they want and the league wont cancel the season.

Just cancel it, let's see how NHL players make a living doing something else. Most of them will be terrible at anything else because they are naturally dumb.

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again,has mediation / mediators, ever solved
a pro sports lockout?
Hey now! before this year's playoffs no 8th seed in pro sports had ever won a championship... but then....

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01-04-2013, 10:42 PM
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First time for everything
Lol,no,not goona work sorry.

Read the last sentence from the ny lawyer...

'.........
“It did not work in football and basketball,” Kessler said.
“Bargaining came to a standstill and mediation wasn’t able to
break through it.
“We tried,” Kessler added. “In the end, the only thing that
eventually led to a resolution was ending the union and
litigating.”

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Football and basketball weren't up against the drop-dead deadline, of course they were entrenched. And the mediator initially got involved in this dispute way before the deadline and is still involved now (unlike '05 where the mediators got shuttled in for the first time literally days before the end of the season). That's why it 'can' work this time.

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01-04-2013, 10:44 PM
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Sophisticated my ass. 95% of this board realized this was the end goal of the NHL, and furthermore, realized that the end result would have the NHL essentially get to that figure (or at the very least, mighty close to it).
But this board is sophisticated

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01-04-2013, 10:45 PM
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Lol,no,not goona work sorry.

Read the last sentence from the ny lawyer...

'.........
“It did not work in football and basketball,” Kessler said.
“Bargaining came to a standstill and mediation wasn’t able to
break through it.
“We tried,” Kessler added. “In the end, the only thing that
eventually led to a resolution was ending the union and
litigating.”
If you know so much, why bother visiting this thread? If the season is lost to you than you have like 9 months before you have to start worrying about whether the lockout ends or not.

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Mediation in nhl,nba,nfl has never worked ever...so see it for what it is...anyone hoping is setting yourself up...waste of time...


http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/...service=mobile

Jeffrey Kessler, a high-profile New York lawyer who served as
the lead negotiator for the National Basketball Players
Association last year, took part in the mediation sessions
during both the NFL and NBA lockouts.
In the end, Kessler said the entrenched positions involved are
the main reason why mediation solves little in professional
sports labour disputes.
“It did not work in football and basketball,” Kessler said.
“Bargaining came to a standstill and mediation wasn’t able to
break through it.
“We tried,” Kessler added. “In the end, the only thing that
eventually led to a resolution was ending the union and
litigating.”
However Kessler himself may have been the problem:

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...ent/index.html

Quinn returned the kind words on Kessler, whose absence from the room at the end also has been cited as key to the deal. Kessler and Stern, in particular, long have had frictions, to the point that Kessler's contributions via speakerphone in the final meeting almost derailed the settlement.

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01-04-2013, 10:47 PM
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Football and basketball weren't up against the drop-dead deadline, of course they were entrenched. And the mediator initially got involved in this dispute way before the deadline and is still involved now (unlike '05 where the mediators got shuttled in for the first time literally days before the end of the season). That's why it 'can' work this time.
Dont forget,same mediator ,could not make it work in 2004/ 05 in nhl.......smart money is on,it not working.

When the doi is filed,we make headway...

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Dont forget,same mediator ,could not make it work in.2004/ 05,in nhl.......smart money is on,it not working.

When the doi is filed,we make headway...
Again, they had like five minutes to try and make it work in '05. Even with so little time, they still managed to get the league off linkage (they should have taken the PA's $49 million flat cap in hindsight) and the PA off no-cap days before the season got offed.

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Seriously, if i'm an owner i lockout the players this year and all of next year, let them go flip burgers at burger king.

NHLPA is very lucky so far thinking they can do whatever they want and the league wont cancel the season.

Just cancel it, let's see how NHL players make a living doing something else. Most of them will be terrible at anything else because they are naturally dumb.
you're kidding, right? We're halfway through a season and wooried about the hit it will take and you want to cancel another season after this one?

Before that happens, I think replacement players are used...

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