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01-04-2013, 03:31 PM
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Botta is pathetic. "If the NHL still exists". Yes Chris, in a week, if the league is forced to cancel this season, they are also going to announce the collapse of the NHL and all of its teams.
It's a hyperbole. Get over it.

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01-04-2013, 03:32 PM
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A twenty minute discussion on unsatisfactory towels? I'm curious to know how much time was spent arguing over the type and quality of toilet paper to use in NHL locker rooms. Don't want any of the players developing rashes because the owners couldn't afford two-ply toilet paper.
I would genuinely be embarrassed if a group representing me in billion dollar negotiations took part in this.

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01-04-2013, 03:33 PM
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I have seen no free icing on penalties floated around. Let's hope they don't do that.
Yeah, I can live with reducing the size of goalie gear. Plus, it rewards the goaltenders who rely on athleticism over bulk and positioning.

Changing PK icing and handpasses or other things that affects the whole game would be jarring; the goalie adjustments would be less immediately noticeable.

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01-04-2013, 03:34 PM
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Players are just using DOI as a bargaining chip and have no intention of disclaiming. They are trying to buy two more days of bargaining before they accept whatever deal is on the table.

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01-04-2013, 03:34 PM
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I would genuinely be embarrassed if a group representing me in billion dollar negotiations took part in this.
Yeah! Wages are too low!

You got that right, yeah! Also, towels!

Dude, what? Towels?

Towels! They are super uncomfortable on the road

Sooo.. where do we add that into the proposal?

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01-04-2013, 03:35 PM
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So, maybe someone can clarify to clear up previous open ended posts.

The PA is voting to grant the Executive Board the authority to file a DOI.

Strickland reported that the PA will get to vote at the deadline on whether or not to accept the deal that's on the table.

IF what Strickland says is correct, CAN the PA still vote on a potential deal IF they have already voted in favor of granting the Board the authority to file a DOI, BUT the DOI hasn't been filed yet.

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If the PA still exists (no DOI filed), the players should be able to vote if Mr. Fehr and the Negotiating Committee decide to submit the proposal to the constituency for approval.

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01-04-2013, 03:35 PM
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Or....you, and the majority of posters commenting on this subject, are both wrong and reacting to second hand information regarding the HC at Noon conversation in that the conversation regarding towels was part of a larger conversation about substandard accomodations in visitors dressing rooms that happened months ago.
This is true.

The are not arguing about towels. What was said on Hockey Central at Noon (I recorded the episode earlier and just watched it within the last half hour) was that, during various committee meetings last summer, issues such as visiting dressing room conditions were brought up as minor points in larger discussions about topics such as working conditions, travel, player safety, general health and safety, etc. Apparently both sides really let loose and brought up any and all complaints that they had about different things. Shannon said that some of the items discussed in those various committee meetings months ago were included in the league's recent 300 page proposal as a means for them to demonstrate to the players that they were listening to their concerns about various issues and, also, as a means for them to say "look, we're moving on some issues and addressing various concerns that you raised." Even Doug MacLean, who is very pro owner stopped joking about 'arguing over towels' and said that it used to really piss him off when they would arrive on a charter flight in a place like Minnesota at 3am and the bus that was supposed to take them to their hotel wasn't waiting for them and they were stuck wasting time waiting for the bus to arrive. At that point the discussion veered off as the others (Morrison and Shannon) started teasing MacLean about how much he hated it when there wasn't wine and cheese awaiting the GM upon arrival or how much he hated it if both red and white wine weren't included because the decision on which to drink was taken away from him.

So no, they are not arguing about towels and any discussion of towels was a very minor point in much larger discussions that took place months ago.

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So when they get back on the ice, they're going to write, "You Mad?" on one side of the center ice logo, and "Why You Hefta Hate?" on the other side.
I kind of think that "Sorry. We ****ed up." is better than "Thank you fans!"

Honestly, I'd prefer nothing. I don't want to be "suckered" up to after this.

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01-04-2013, 03:36 PM
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I thought it was just a joke, too. Is that freaking serious? I played junior and college and the point of it was to make your opponent uncomfortable. Bring your own freaking towels.

I had no clue this was real. In fact, I still think someone is trolling me.
LPHabsFan explained it better than what I did.. Here's his post.

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According to John Shannon last night and again today on Hockey Central, several months ago when discussing substandard accomadations in the visitors dressing rooms, there was apparently a 20 minute conversation regarding the quality of towels.

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It'll be funny when the owners charge an extra dollar per ticket to make up for the lost ad space taken up by "Thank You Fans."

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It'll be funny when the owners charge an extra dollar per ticket to make up for the lost ad space taken up by "Thank You Fans."
What's funny is that the players will get 50 cents of that evil owner move.

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Good to see the media is basically in the dark regarding today's progress.

That probably means there has been some.

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The towel thing is real?! I honestly thought it was just a bunch of you going loopy.

Those are the kind of disccusions they should be having in a quiet offseason, not during the middle of nuts and bolts CBA negotiations

It is people here going loopy and the larger discussions in which towels were mentioned took place months ago.


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If there ever was a time where you could put some restrictions on goalie equipment it sure looks like next season, if there is a partial one this time around, would be a great time to give it a go.

It could make for some high variance too: who knows if top end goalies like Lundqvist would be as dominant with lesser equipment? Could make for some real excitement (and so steaming mad fanbases)

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01-04-2013, 03:40 PM
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What's funny is that the players will get 50 cents of that evil owner move.


That's the ultimate troll move, then.

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01-04-2013, 03:40 PM
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Aaron Ward ‏@aaronward_nhl
Mediators have now been in meeting with the NHLPA for over 2.5 hours. #CBA #TSN

https://twitter.com/aaronward_nhl/st...12209556668417

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01-04-2013, 03:42 PM
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Mediators have now been in meeting with the NHLPA for over 2.5 hours. #CBA #TSN

https://twitter.com/aaronward_nhl/st...12209556668417
Wow. Interesting..

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Lawyer Shep Goldfein, who represents NHL, told the federal court today that the sides agree they don't need an expedited briefing schedule.

http://twitter.com/reporterchris/sta...12444316086272

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01-04-2013, 03:43 PM
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That is interesting. If they're with the PA for 2.5 hours, are they trying to hammer something home or fully flesh out some details? I wonder what such a long session could mean.

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so they don't need to go in on Monday, is that it?

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If there ever was a time where you could put some restrictions on goalie equipment it sure looks like next season, if there is a partial one this time around, would be a great time to give it a go.

It could make for some high variance too: who knows if top end goalies like Lundqvist would be as dominant with lesser equipment? Could make for some real excitement (and so steaming mad fanbases)
lol saw that coming a mile away... People are just insanley jealous they dont have a future HoF goalie between the pipes... I dont know what the excuse for devil fans is they just hate us in general. I actually think if Hank had less pads he would be better on the High Glove side...

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Lawyer Shep Goldfein, who represents NHL, told the federal court today that the sides agree they don't need an expedited briefing schedule.

http://twitter.com/reporterchris/sta...12444316086272
Good they don't want to enter the courts at all yet, process moving forward.

Again guys this isn't a hockey game the media is covering noone really knows what's going on.

Until there is another press conference blow up like last time noone should get too high or too low based off twitter.

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Lawyer Shep Goldfein, who represents NHL, told the federal court today that the sides agree they don't need an expedited briefing schedule.

http://twitter.com/reporterchris/sta...12444316086272
Presumably either the lockout will be settled without the court's involvement or the season will be canceled and they'll be in no hurry.

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Wow. Interesting..
I think the first time mediators were involved it lasted 5-6 hours (with both sides in the same building), so I wouldn't read too much into that.

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I would genuinely be embarrassed if a group representing me in billion dollar negotiations took part in this.
I'd be embarrassed if I worked in a billion dollar industry that didn't have a satisfactory number / quality of towels for me to use while on the road.

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