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01-04-2013, 03:45 PM
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so they don't need to go in on Monday, is that it?
Sounds like it...if the court asks why hopefully the answer is " we would like to continue to negotiate on Monday "

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lol saw that coming a mile away... People are just insanley jealous they dont have a future HoF goalie between the pipes... I dont know what the excuse for devil fans is they just hate us in general. I actually think if Hank had less pads he would be better on the High Glove side...
I was thinking it would be more a concern for fat goalies like brodeur myself.
1. less puck stopping size
2. less protection for fatso

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Sounds like it...if the court asks why hopefully the answer is " we would like to continue to negotiate on Monday "
god no I hope the answer is "umm we got this"

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01-04-2013, 03:46 PM
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This is true.

The are not arguing about towels. What was said on Hockey Central at Noon (I recorded the episode earlier and just watched it within the last half hour) was that, during various committee meetings last summer, issues such as visiting dressing room conditions were brought up as minor points in larger discussions about topics such as working conditions, travel, player safety, general health and safety, etc. Apparently both sides really let loose and brought up any and all complaints that they had about different things. Shannon said that some of the items discussed in those various committee meetings months ago were included in the league's recent 300 page proposal as a means for them to demonstrate to the players that they were listening to their concerns about various issues and, also, as a means for them to say "look, we're moving on some issues and addressing various concerns that you raised." Even Doug MacLean, who is very pro owner stopped joking about 'arguing over towels' and said that it used to really piss him off when they would arrive on a charter flight in a place like Minnesota at 3am and the bus that was supposed to take them to their hotel wasn't waiting for them and they were stuck wasting time waiting for the bus to arrive. At that point the discussion veered off as the others (Morrison and Shannon) started teasing MacLean about how much he hated it when there wasn't wine and cheese awaiting the GM upon arrival or how much he hated it if both red and white wine weren't included because the decision on which to drink was taken away from him.

So no, they are not arguing about towels and any discussion of towels was a very minor point in much larger discussions that took place months ago.
Glad someone that actually watched it cleared that up, but with the way I feel about both sides right now I wanted it to be true just to laugh at them

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Yeah! Wages are too low!

You got that right, yeah! Also, towels!

Dude, what? Towels?

Towels! They are super uncomfortable on the road

Sooo.. where do we add that into the proposal?
I suddenly am envisioning the players' reaction being something like this...

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I think the first time mediators were involved it lasted 5-6 hours (with both sides in the same building), so I wouldn't read too much into that.
They've used mediators this entire week though, so it's up in the air.

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I know this sounds stupid, but how can the mediator be meeting with the PA for over 2 hours. I feel like it's a giant therapy session in there

"So tell me why you're mad at the NHL???"

"They changed the HRR on us, they came at us with 43%, they provide us with horrible towels"

"hmmm............. innnnnnttteresting, but how does that make you feel???"

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Glad someone that actually watched it cleared that up, but with the way I feel about both sides right now I wanted it to be true just to laugh at them

Despite my post though I bet there will be plenty of people here who will continue to think that they argued about towels today.

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I suddenly am envisioning the players' reaction being something like this...
Haha I used to watch it until I realized how vulgar it is. This is what I was aiming at though.


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Mediators have now been in meeting with the NHLPA for over 2.5 hours. #CBA #TSN

https://twitter.com/aaronward_nhl/st...12209556668417
Hopefully beating some sense into them, literally.

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Yeah, I can live with reducing the size of goalie gear. Plus, it rewards the goaltenders who rely on athleticism over bulk and positioning.

Changing PK icing and handpasses or other things that affects the whole game would be jarring; the goalie adjustments would be less immediately noticeable.
Not a fan of reducing goalie equipment sizes.

Why penalize good goaltenders for being good?

There is plenty of room for players to shoot at.

As we saw in the Philly/Pitt series if you do not play good defense....or have good goaltending....it was real easy to score with the way the game was played last year.

If you weren't scoring, your offense wasn't doing something right.

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Eric Macramalla ‏@EricOnSportsLaw
The idea of going to court is not to actually get there - it's the pressure of having to go that is designed to extract settlement #nhl

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Going back up the roller coaster after the last few tweets

If they actually settle this tonight after all the negativity the last two days I may just die laughing.

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All the principals in these negotiations should be forced to follow the activity on this board for an hour or two. Maybe if they saw the passion and anxiety of hockey fans, about missing their sport, it might get them to move their butts and get this over, quickly

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I'd be embarrassed if I worked in a billion dollar industry that didn't have a satisfactory number / quality of towels for me to use while on the road.
You don't get to become a billion dollar industry by overspending on towels.

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If they ever have a "mission accomplished" press conference, I hope Don Fehr and Gary Bettman have to shake each other's hands on camera.

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I know this sounds stupid, but how can the mediator be meeting with the PA for over 2 hours. I feel like it's a giant therapy session in there

"So tell me why you're mad at the NHL???"

"They changed the HRR on us, they came at us with 43%, they provide us with horrible towels"

"hmmm............. innnnnnttteresting, but how does that make you feel???"
Part of me thinks that it's a babysitting session too, or waiting for Don to get back from one of his water breaks. Part of me thinks the mediator ran out as quietly as he came in and none of the 'insiders' know this yet (although Ward's been pretty reliable). I want to believe this is hammering out real details.

Just no more real leaks or threats until this gets done, please?

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I have a feeling when the lockout ends, it'll look something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHSgepn9xyU

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He's back at it....

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May be a little more going on then there would appear To be...

https://twitter.com/Eklund/status/287315508779425793

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Going back up the roller coaster after the last few tweets

If they actually settle this tonight after all the negativity the last two days I may just die laughing.
Plenty of people said this exact kinda stuff would happen. One or two more giant blowups just before the deadline, then this thing gets settled rather quick.

I didn't want to believe them but here we are.

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Going back up the roller coaster after the last few tweets

If they actually settle this tonight after all the negativity the last two days I may just die laughing.
dont worry, they wont.

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He's back at it....

Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
May be a little more going on then there would appear To be...

https://twitter.com/Eklund/status/287315508779425793
This is self-parody. You can tell he tacked on the "To be" too.

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Yeah! Wages are too low!

You got that right, yeah! Also, towels!

Dude, what? Towels?

Towels! They are super uncomfortable on the road

Sooo.. where do we add that into the proposal?
My cousin played for the Flyers in the late 60s early 70s (Beginning of the Broad Street Bullies Era) and I can just imagine what he would have said if he read about NHLers rejecting multi-million dollar contracts because the towels aren't soft enough. Owned and worked a dairy farm shoveling **** all day.

I'm all for modern era players getting treated well, but there reaches a point where it becomes asinine.

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If they ever have a "mission accomplished" press conference, I hope Don Fehr and Gary Bettman have to shake each other's hands on camera.


They should do it on the USS Lincoln.

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Not a fan of reducing goalie equipment sizes.

Why penalize good goaltenders for being good?

There is plenty of room for players to shoot at.

As we saw in the Philly/Pitt series if you do not play good defense....or have good goaltending....it was real easy to score with the way the game was played last year.

If you weren't scoring, your offense wasn't doing something right.
The best goaltenders would remain the best, so you wouldn't be punishing them; that change would probably widen the gap between the best and worst goalies though.

The Philly-Pitt series was a complete anomaly when it comes to goaltending. If the league needs to increase offense to generate more interest following the lockout, cutting down equipment size would be less drastic than other rule changes.

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While nothing is scheduled, there is still a chance the NHL and NHLPA meet tonight.

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